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Agreed - they need to fast track this IMO....
SaltyNZ:
Just another reason why my original submission to NZTA was to have all vehicles paying RUC. Then it doesn't matter how the car works anymore.
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Road tax is equivalency is calculated off 5.0L/100km. Class leading petrol hybrids beat this by a long way. Yaris hybrid per the toyota NZ website is rated at 3.0 L/100km (3P-WLTP)
SaltyNZ:
Just another reason why my original submission to NZTA was to have all vehicles paying RUC. Then it doesn't matter how the car works anymore.
i don't think they will.
they stand to lose too much tax money from gas guzzling SUVs, watercraft, did you know small petrol boats use upwards of 50L/100km.
Batman:
SaltyNZ:
Just another reason why my original submission to NZTA was to have all vehicles paying RUC. Then it doesn't matter how the car works anymore.
i don't think they will.
they stand to lose too much tax money from gas guzzling SUVs, watercraft, did you know small petrol boats use upwards of 50L/100km.
The Transport Minister has already said this is is intention. How long it will take is another matter, so yes, it appears they will.
The excise duty recovered from fuel is reducing, and will continue to do so as newer tech brings more efficient ICE and combined source vehicles. It is an unsustainable taxation model even in the short-medium term. Something has to change.
I don't have any stats on how much fuel (subject to FED) is purchased for boat use, but my impression is that it would be a drop in the ocean (see what I did there...) compared to the overall FED take.
Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation
scuwp:
Batman:
i don't think they will.
they stand to lose too much tax money from gas guzzling SUVs, watercraft, did you know small petrol boats use upwards of 50L/100km.
The Transport Minister has already said this is is intention. How long it will take is another matter, so yes, it appears they will.
The excise duty recovered from fuel is reducing, and will continue to do so as newer tech brings more efficient ICE and combined source vehicles. It is an unsustainable taxation model even in the short-medium term. Something has to change.
I don't have any stats on how much fuel (subject to FED) is purchased for boat use, but my impression is that it would be a drop in the ocean (see what I did there...) compared to the overall FED take.
Looked into this a little.
A EECA report from 2021 pegs off road petrol use at 14%, of which 87% is recreational marine. This would mean that 12% of petrol road tax revenue comes from recreational boating.
But this data does come from surveys, which has limitations. My gut feeling is that it is overstated.
Edit: Should note, in the interest of fairness, recreational boating shouldn't really be paying petrol tax, so fixing this problem should be seen as a positive outcome not a negative one.
scuwp:The Transport Minister has already said this is is intention. How long it will take is another matter, so yes, it appears they will.
great stuff, can't wait! i have gas guzzlers and watercraft.
Batman:
scuwp:The Transport Minister has already said this is is intention. How long it will take is another matter, so yes, it appears they will.
great stuff, can't wait! i have gas guzzlers and watercraft.
That's the spirit! Wait--
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Batman:
SaltyNZ:
Just another reason why my original submission to NZTA was to have all vehicles paying RUC. Then it doesn't matter how the car works anymore.
i don't think they will.
they stand to lose too much tax money from gas guzzling SUVs, watercraft, did you know small petrol boats use upwards of 50L/100km.
…. but don’t do thousands of kms pa.
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Signed, good on you for starting the petition.
The little things make the biggest difference.
Not signing. EV owners should pay their way.
Mike
gzt: The petition does not disagree with you.
The petition says under the new charges EV will be paying more than it's fair share when compared to petrol vehicles.
Not for long. Petrol vehicles will be in RUC in due course.
Petrol vehicles are lighter than EVs, so presumably less road wear.
Mike
Looks like RUC for all is now officially on the plan...
Government Policy Statement on land transport | Ministry of Transport
Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation
MikeAqua:
gzt: The petition does not disagree with you.
The petition says under the new charges EV will be paying more than it's fair share when compared to petrol vehicles.
Not for long. Petrol vehicles will be in RUC in due course.
Petrol vehicles are lighter than EVs, so presumably less road wear.
On weights, firstly this petition only covers EV's under 2000kg empty weight.
Secondly it is kind of moot anyway. All light (sub 3500kg GVM) vehicles do negligible road damage, So the difference in road damage from various weights of light vehicles is negligible. hence why 3500kg GVM is the smallest RUC band. Light vehicle RUC is essentially paying for the general provision & upkeep of roads, and space of those roads, not road damage.
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