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#3159137 13-Nov-2023 16:59

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People complain about fast charging rates in NZ: In Norway a lot of places charge a lot more at the fast chargers than here. I was paying more than $1 NZD per kwh when doing fast charging in Norway when I was there in June and July.

The rising cost of power in the UK is well-known, which unsurprisingly leads to pretty high fast charging rates - one reference I saw suggested 74p is pretty standard; that converts to NZ $2.08!

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#3159142 13-Nov-2023 17:08

74p is pretty standard; that converts to NZ $2.08!

Yeah, and their NHS is crumbling way worse than our health system. And someone had the nerve to suggest NZ's economic problem was that we need more people so as to generate a larger domestic economy. Wait, the UK has 67m people in their small island, and it hasn't helped their floundering economy. It just means you're even more reliant on overseas food.

On the plus side, they do get faster access to the European EV than we do :)

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#3159147 13-Nov-2023 17:17

The whole country has been crumbling away for decades (the UK I mean). Starts at the top. Not to mention giving people what they want i.e. everything, including not wanting to pay the taxes to pay for the stuff they want. Couldn't happen here...

Not really a EV subject though...

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#3159148 13-Nov-2023 17:22

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jarledb:

People complain about fast charging rates in NZ: In Norway a lot of places charge a lot more at the fast chargers than here. I was paying more than $1 NZD per kwh when doing fast charging in Norway when I was there in June and July.

The rising cost of power in the UK is well-known, which unsurprisingly leads to pretty high fast charging rates - one reference I saw suggested 74p is pretty standard; that converts to NZ $2.08!

I crunched the numbers for my UK based sister recently for a replacement vehicle for her. Using the Peugeot 208/e208 the cost per mile to 'fuel' each using public charging worked out at 11p vs. 17p per mile, favouring the ICE version. No off street parking/charging so an EV just didn't stack up economically, plus I suspect a lot of EV FUD coming from her friends and clients.

That surprised me as the economic advantages we enjoy with 2 EVs charged with PV are hugely in favour of EV over an ICE.

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#3159255 13-Nov-2023 20:48

From the UK Daily Telegraph today:

“The billionaire owners of Asda have signed a multimillion-pound deal with Tesla to launch ultra-fast charging outlets for electric vehicles (EVs) across their petrol station empire.

EG Group, owned by the brothers Mohsin and Zuber Issa, has agreed a deal with Tesla to roll out the chargers across thousands of their sites in the UK and Europe.

The chargers themselves are touted as being able to charge about 80pc of a car’s battery within around 20 minutes. They will carry the name “Evpoint” rather than that of Tesla, and will be able to charge a range of EVs from many manufacturers.

In the UK, where EG recently sold the bulk of its business – around 356 sites – to sister company Asda, it is expected the EV chargers will be rolled out with an agreement between the two.

Imraan Patel, chief strategy & business Officer at EG Group, said the deal would help the EG reach net zero by 2050.

As EV usage has grown, there have been reports of drivers being forced to queue for hours at a time to charge their EVs because of a lack of infrastructure over recent years.”

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#3159303 13-Nov-2023 20:59

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Thanks. I am involved in the governance of a large townhouse complex. At some stage it would be good to have a communal charger but I can't see it working unless there is some element of time-based charging and a physical obstruction (e.g. collapsing bollard) to keep the space clear when the meter is not running. It could get complicated and expensive.

Unfortunately we already have problems with nuisance vehicles being left in all sorts of strange places, so we need to proceed with caution.

Keep in mind who would be paying for the charging as well, you'd either need to engage a service provider who can bill, find a way to charge per usage or cover the bill from a communal pot. Then also factor in growth in the uptake, if there's not enough to go around when more people buy them what's the plan.

The ideal scenario would be to design around owners installing their own secured charge points. Either installing ductwork from homes to car parks or running cables back to their properties to terminate at their charger later in to their own fuse board. That will mean you've facilitated the uptake but not forced it on anyone who didn't want it. I'd definitely say mandate dedicate chargers as they secure the cables unlike installing a plug socket.

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#3159324 14-Nov-2023 00:02

Obraik: Jeep has released the Avenger in NZ today, which looks like a well price option at $67k before the rebate and with 400km of WLTP range. Looks like they have some limited stock ready to deliver before the rebate ends as well.

That is probably the most pleasant looking EV I've seen in pictures. It might not be the first one I'd actually buy but it did get me thinking if I should stretch before the rebate closes. It's been hard to justify an EV with all the WFH and EV prices continuing to drop thanks to MG and BYD among others. Hard to know where inflation will go. Battery warranties are usually around 5-8 years / 160,000 km. That suits my ballpark. The gears are turning slowly..

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#3159325 14-Nov-2023 00:13

jonathan18: ...

The rising cost of power in the UK is well-known, which unsurprisingly leads to pretty high fast charging rates - one reference I saw suggested 74p is pretty standard; that converts to NZ $2.08!

I'd be worried about the person who did that conversion. Buy rate for the NZD currently sits at 0.4723 GBP (https://tools.anz.co.nz/foreign-exchange/fx-rates/ 11:59 pm, 13 Nov), so at worst 74p should be NZD 1.57. A very long time since it was remotely in the territory that would convert 74p into NZD 2.08.

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#3159326 14-Nov-2023 00:58

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74p is pretty standard; that converts to NZ $2.08!

Yeah, and their NHS is crumbling way worse than our health system. And someone had the nerve to suggest NZ's economic problem was that we need more people so as to generate a larger domestic economy. Wait, the UK has 67m people in their small island, and it hasn't helped their floundering economy. It just means you're even more reliant on overseas food.

On the plus side, they do get faster access to the European EV than we do :)

This is a question that I never heard in any of the leaders debates, and that is what population should NZ be in X number of years, and what population growth should we have. If we are importing a million people every decade, increasing the population by 20%, so we need a huge amount of additional infrastructure, homes, hospitals, power generation, schools etc to cope with all that. Otherwise we are just sharing the limited resources we already currently have amongst a far larger population. Is NZ actually a better country now, than it was 20 years ago? I don't think it is. Everything now seems to be a 'crisis'

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#3159327 14-Nov-2023 03:46

Portugal is 2.9 times smaller than NZ and has a population about double.

The economy seems better for it and frankly it feels no more occupied than NZ does. For example, we drove from Lisbon to the Algarve on a 120kmh tolled highway that was barely occupied: maybe 15% of its capacity. The countryside we drove through was just empty, with nothing but agriculture as far as the eye could see.

It’s not a straightforward comparison due to various factors but I think NZ could certainly accommodate 8-10 million and be better for it, if the infrastructure was properly increased in line with the population.

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#3159348 14-Nov-2023 08:01

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That is probably the most pleasant looking EV I've seen in pictures. It might not be the first one I'd actually buy but it did get me thinking if I should stretch before the rebate closes. It's been hard to justify an EV with all the WFH and EV prices continuing to drop thanks to MG and BYD among others. Hard to know where inflation will go. Battery warranties are usually around 5-8 years / 160,000 km. That suits my ballpark. The gears are turning slowly..

Looks good, yes. But I'm a little skeptical that a brick-shaped SUV can get anywhere near 400km from a 42kWh battery. The MG ZS EV has a WLTP range of about 350km from 50kWh, IIRC (and realistically more like 230-250km maximum in the real world).

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#3159357 14-Nov-2023 08:36

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gzt:
That is probably the most pleasant looking EV I've seen in pictures. It might not be the first one I'd actually buy but it did get me thinking if I should stretch before the rebate closes. It's been hard to justify an EV with all the WFH and EV prices continuing to drop thanks to MG and BYD among others. Hard to know where inflation will go. Battery warranties are usually around 5-8 years / 160,000 km. That suits my ballpark. The gears are turning slowly..

Looks good, yes. But I'm a little skeptical that a brick-shaped SUV can get anywhere near 400km from a 42kWh battery. The MG ZS EV has a WLTP range of about 350km from 50kWh, IIRC (and realistically more like 230-250km maximum in the real world).

Yep - 400km from a 42kWh battery is dreaming unless they've figured out a really efficient motor and the vehicle is super slippery. I wonder if Stuff go the number wrong (wouldn't be the first time they didn't report correctly) - when Jeep launched the Avenger last year, it had a 54kWh battery.

I get 400km from my 64kWh (it's WLTP is 450, most I've finished a day with adding kms travelled plus the remaining on the GOM is 435km - I regularly commute Paeroa to Auckland).

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#3159361 14-Nov-2023 08:51

This article states that the Avenger has 'up to' 400km of range, but if you do the maths on the stated battery capacity and consumption per 100km then you get 350km.

The 400km figure has an asterisk but no obvious footnote (a common annoyance for me), so maybe the footnote is supposed to read "in perfect conditions if you're really really lucky".

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#3159373 14-Nov-2023 09:23

alasta:

This article states that the Avenger has 'up to' 400km of range, but if you do the maths on the stated battery capacity and consumption per 100km then you get 350km.

The 400km figure has an asterisk but no obvious footnote (a common annoyance for me), so maybe the footnote is supposed to read "in perfect conditions if you're really really lucky".

That article states it has a 54kWh battery as well (51 usable) - not the 42kWh the stuff article quotes. 51 / 15.4 * 100 gives 331km. Be pretty rare that any vehicle (EV/PHEV/Hybrid or ICE) gets its stated efficiency.

My previous daily - Diesel Sportage - was quoted at 6.4l/100km - I could get that on an open road drive - any around town would push it over - very unlikely I'd ever do a tank full at that efficiency. My MG4 states 14.7kWh/100 - I can get that around town and a little bit of motorway. As soon as it hits open road, it goes up to around 16-17kWh/100.

As a side note - anyone who watches their consumption figure - do you notice it higher on the chipseal than the smooth tarmac of the motorway?

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#3159374 14-Nov-2023 09:48

What’s the point of a Jeep without any off road capability at all?!

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