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#2916989 21-May-2022 23:07

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Had a look at one yesterday at Morrinsville Kia. Nice car but the $106 grand price list was a real put off. Even the Air Long range at $79 Grand was outside my price range. Hey lets just do what everyone else does. just put it on the mortgage..

While I think the $79k version is a value sweetspot, there is also a $73k version, and those prices are before the $8,650 rebate :)

But no doubt, like most EV's it is an expensive car. But if one wants to drive a new larger SUV, can fund the capital, and does a lot of Km, fuel savings can be substantial. Over a 300,000km life, something like a Mazda CX-9 ($62k + $2817 to $72k + $2817), at 10L/100km of 91RON @$3/L would burn $90k in fuel alone.

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#2916990 21-May-2022 23:13

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I had a test drive in an EV6 yesterday - it was the AWD version. Hard for me to compare, having never driven an EV before, but the smooth delivery of power and effortless acceleration made it a great car to drive. I wasn't keen on the synthesised interior "engine hum" but I guess that's able to be turned off on a menu somewhere. After being used to driving reasonably sporty cars (currently a Cerato GT which is 200hp), the EV6 definitely feels a step up in terms of real-world performance. Although it sits somewhere between a saloon and an SUV, I think the driving position is just right for visibility without the high CoG that SUVs have - I prefer it to the lower position of the Tesla M3. Interior comfort was great, including rear seat space. The boot is long and wide but quite shallow - the larger "frunk" in the RWD version would certainly be useful.

I know it's personal taste, but I preferred the more "car-like" interior to that of the Tesla - the latter just seems too minimalist to me.

As a note from somebody who is used to EV's, the acceleration in the EV6 is smooth even by EV standards. In the drive mode I was in, there was noticeable damping in the accelerator input.

I did a full power acceleration run, then lifted off the accelerator. Car was still accelerating even though I had lifted off, and I could see the power output dial smoothly dialing back from 200+KW towards regen, over the course of say 0.5 or 1 second... Other EV's I have driven throw you straight into regen as soon as you lift off. Great for smoothness, but surprised me. Perhaps other drive modes (sport?) have lesser damping.

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#2917002 22-May-2022 08:04

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While I think the $79k version is a value sweetspot, there is also a $73k version, and those prices are before the $8,650 rebate :)

But no doubt, like most EV's it is an expensive car. But if one wants to drive a new larger SUV, can fund the capital, and does a lot of Km, fuel savings can be substantial. Over a 300,000km life, something like a Mazda CX-9 ($62k + $2817 to $72k + $2817), at 10L/100km of 91RON @$3/L would burn $90k in fuel alone.

The problem is that this is becoming less financially viable with interest rates going up. When your mortgage rate was 2.5% it was easier for fuel savings to offset the cost of the additional capital outlay, but it's a different story at 4.5%.

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#2917108 22-May-2022 15:54

I am in a bit of a dilemma now. I have been looking at PHEV's recently and sort of decided on the Ford Escape which for the top of the line is ST-LINE X is $66,945 less $5750 so $61,195

But for $64,365 I could get the EV6 standard for only $3170 more.

I was thinking of a PHEV since our daily driving is well within the battery range of the Ford and if we go long distance then there is no range angst. Then again if were for example driving from Wellington to Auckland the EV6 WLTP of 394km can easily get to Taupo where even in an ICE we would stop for lunch for at least an hour. So a quick top off in the EV6 and we would have enough juice to get to Auckland with miles to spare.

And for $64K purchase $3K doesn't seem like much.

I am now wondering if I should get the EV6?

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#2917111 22-May-2022 16:09

lchiu7:

I am in a bit of a dilemma now. I have been looking at PHEV's recently and sort of decided on the Ford Escape which for the top of the line is ST-LINE X is $66,945 less $5750 so $61,195

But for $64,365 I could get the EV6 standard for only $3170 more.

I was thinking of a PHEV since our daily driving is well within the battery range of the Ford and if we go long distance then there is no range angst. Then again if were for example driving from Wellington to Auckland the EV6 WLTP of 394km can easily get to Taupo where even in an ICE we would stop for lunch for at least an hour. So a quick top off in the EV6 and we would have enough juice to get to Auckland with miles to spare.

And for $64K purchase $3K doesn't seem like much.

I am now wondering if I should get the EV6?

Factor in the reduced fuel and servicing costs and it's an easy decision I think to go for the EV6. Especially as the PHEV is only FWD - if it were AWD and you needed that, it would be a factor.

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#2917157 22-May-2022 16:12

I don't need AWD but I had not considered that the ICE part would need regular servicing. But i had heard the entry level EV6 is not available until the end of the year and I want a new car before then

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#2917177 22-May-2022 17:21

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I am in a bit of a dilemma now. I have been looking at PHEV's recently and sort of decided on the Ford Escape

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And for $64K purchase $3K doesn't seem like much.

I am now wondering if I should get the EV6?

This is exactly the dilemma I faced (but Tesla Model 3 instead of EV6) with the money very similar.
I took the Escape PHEV for multiple and extended test drives. I’m sure the salesman thought the harpoon was well and truly imbedded. In the end it was the tech that helped me decide. The Model 3 was kind of mature, the Escape was brand new tech for Ford. I had confidence though that Ford had licensed the tech from Toyota. The Escape’s interior is a ‘twenty-teens’ product, the EV6 a ‘twenty-twenties’ one. Depends how much time you spend in it. The Escape ST-Line is better appointed than the base model EV6 though I think?

But I also considered my use case. Most of the places that are an extended drive for me are less than 300km away with the ability to charge overnight or top up locally from a public charger. In the 2500km I’ve done so far 2000 has been ‘local’ (less than 100km radius). I guess you also may want to consider how you feel about paying $3.50+/litre @ approx 6litres/100km once you go beyond 50km in a single journey.
Where I had pause for thought was the towing performance, particularly for the journey from Auckland to the east coast of the Coromandel Peninsula. Because even towing a relatively light load will adversely affect an EV’s range. If you tow a distance regularly you may want to consider this (I’m not sure of the EV6’s towing specs).
I love the smoothness of the EV drive (my happy place) and you definitely get that in the Escape while it’s in EV Only mode. And the Ford engineers have done a good job of the petrol transition which is hardly perceptible unless you push it.

Something else to consider maybe, is your at-home charging. I have been using the supplied “granny charger” but am going to get a wall connector (EVSE) which is going to cost about $4000 because of my house wiring. You will get away with a granny charger with a PHEV.

Ultimately what helped me go BEV was, that if I discovered I had made a horrible mistake, I could probably sell my car for what it cost me. (I didn’t). That won’t always be the case as the supply of EVs improves. So happy with the M3 that I have had approval from the domestic finance controller to look at further electrifying the fleet by replacing our petrol Focus with either an Escape or Eclipse Cross PHEV (with a towbar).

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#2917327 22-May-2022 18:42

lchiu7:

I am in a bit of a dilemma now. I have been looking at PHEV's recently and sort of decided on the Ford Escape which for the top of the line is ST-LINE X is $66,945 less $5750 so $61,195

But for $64,365 I could get the EV6 standard for only $3170 more.

I was thinking of a PHEV since our daily driving is well within the battery range of the Ford and if we go long distance then there is no range angst. Then again if were for example driving from Wellington to Auckland the EV6 WLTP of 394km can easily get to Taupo where even in an ICE we would stop for lunch for at least an hour. So a quick top off in the EV6 and we would have enough juice to get to Auckland with miles to spare.

And for $64K purchase $3K doesn't seem like much.

I am now wondering if I should get the EV6?

to me a hybrid is the worst of both worlds rather than the best of both worlds.

and friends don't let friends buy fords

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#2917401 22-May-2022 20:32

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to me a hybrid is the worst of both worlds rather than the best of both worlds.

and friends don't let friends buy fords

I would never consider a hybrid but a PHEV is a different kettle of fish. And I have nothing against Ford's. Two of the new cars I bought were a Mercury Capri from Ford's Lincoln Mercury division and a Ford Thunderbird, both in the US and they were fine. And my son currently drives a Ford Fiesta which is pretty good too.

But for only $3k more the EV6 is looking interesting so I will have to get a test drive.

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#2917413 22-May-2022 21:22

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The problem is that this is becoming less financially viable with interest rates going up. When your mortgage rate was 2.5% it was easier for fuel savings to offset the cost of the additional capital outlay, but it's a different story at 4.5%.

It really depends on what you are comparing against.

In my case, I have a car that I really like, and don't have a pressing need or desire to upgrade (2006 Lexus RX400h), and both isn't excessively thirsty, or driven that far (we use the leaf as a runabout when we don't need two cars at the same time, or need the space, tow ability, roof racks, range etc of the SUV). Residual is about $10 - $12k, so it would be about a $60k upgrade cost.

60k @4.5% is about $2.7k if it was put on the mortgage. (I am assuming the 4.5% rate. Don't have a mortgage (yet), so 1.6% (less tax) would be more approach to my setting.

It's kinda wired at the moment as used car's arn't depreciating much, but if we did straight line depreciation with my both cars having a 25 year life, my lexus would cost $1.3k per year in depreciation, and the ev6, $2.88k.

So $1.3k + fuel, plays $5.58k + power. Given I don't spend much on fuel, it can't be justified poorly financially so would need to be justified some other way.

That said, I must say i am kinda kicking myself I didn't hit the button on a model 3 (and roof-box) when the government subsidy came in. Given the negligible depreciation since then, and considering fuel and the cira $2k of maintenance my SUV seems to need each year, that would have given me lower cost of ownership.

For somebody cross shopping with other new large SUV's (I used the CX-9 as an example - not a perfect match, as most non luxury, non Electric, large & soft SUV's tend to have 7 seats), the difference is only about $10k. $450 a year interest cost at at 4.5%... Really easy to pay that back in fuel savings.

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#2917421 22-May-2022 22:11

lchiu7:

I am in a bit of a dilemma now. I have been looking at PHEV's recently and sort of decided on the Ford Escape which for the top of the line is ST-LINE X is $66,945 less $5750 so $61,195

But for $64,365 I could get the EV6 standard for only $3170 more.

I was thinking of a PHEV since our daily driving is well within the battery range of the Ford and if we go long distance then there is no range angst. Then again if were for example driving from Wellington to Auckland the EV6 WLTP of 394km can easily get to Taupo where even in an ICE we would stop for lunch for at least an hour. So a quick top off in the EV6 and we would have enough juice to get to Auckland with miles to spare.

And for $64K purchase $3K doesn't seem like much.

I am now wondering if I should get the EV6?

My personal opinion is you absolute should. Owned a PHEV before (BMW i3), and really would have rather had more range, and been rid of engine. I think the Escape PHEV engine starts under hard acceleration, unlike the i3?

Some of it will come down to how frequently you do trips beyond the PHEV range.

But, I also think the decision should be more about the vehicle, and less about the power-train. EV6 test drives are easy to get, so take one for a spin. They are quite different vehicles. EV6 is longer, wider, and run on a much larger 2900mm wheelbase (good for comfort and interior space).

EV6 air base trim is well looked after and gets some cool features, like the high power (16Amp) 230v outlet in the back seat, but obviously you would have to give up all the high spec stuff like sun roof, premium auto from the ST-line escape.

EV6 is RWD, Escape is FWD. Escape won't have full power on tap without firing up the engine, where EV6 it is their all the time.

Styling is also very different.

Personally I think the EV6 will depreciate slower than the Ford Escape PHEV.

Next issue you will run into when considering the EV6 is that the $6k upgrade from the Air Standard range RWD, is objectively fairly good value. Range 394km -> 528km. Power 125kW -> 168kW, 0-100 km/h 8.5s -> 7.3s, Faster Fast charging in km/h terms (only on 350kW fast charger), tow rating 750kg -> 1600kg.

If you want to take this up it changes your $3k price jump to a $9k one.

Of course I don't mean to knock the Air Standard range. A 0-100 time of 8.5 sec is perfectly adequate, and for many applications a 394km rated range, and 750kg tow rating would be fine. And a smaller battery makes the car lighter which means better handling & less tire wear.

lchiu7:

I don't need AWD but I had not considered that the ICE part would need regular servicing. But i had heard the entry level EV6 is not available until the end of the year and I want a new car before then

Note that the EV6 is RWD, which is generally seen as more desirable than FWD (no torque steer, weight transfer on acceleration loads up the rear tire's so less change of wheel spin on hard acceleration, more even tire wear).

I don't know the current wait time's, but like pretty much all EV's

A quick good search turned up the EV6 service schedule. Mostly just inspections (scroll down to except Europe):

https://ev6.synology.me/en/topics/chapter8_4.html

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#2917423 22-May-2022 22:25

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Note that the EV6 is RWD, which is generally seen as more desirable than FWD (no torque steer, weight transfer on acceleration loads up the rear tire's so less change of wheel spin on hard acceleration, more even tire wear).

I don't know the current wait time's, but like pretty much all EV's

A quick good search turned up the EV6 service schedule. Mostly just inspections (scroll down to except Europe):

https://ev6.synology.me/en/topics/chapter8_4.html

Just got an email from the dealer. They have the GT in for demo so I will do that. Said it drives similar to the entry model. Wait time is 3-6 months depending on colour etc. I guess in 3 months I could squirrel away $3K to pay for what I already set aside for the Escape.

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#2917425 22-May-2022 22:29

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Where I had pause for thought was the towing performance, particularly for the journey from Auckland to the east coast of the Coromandel Peninsula. Because even towing a relatively light load will adversely affect an EV’s range. If you tow a distance regularly you may want to consider this (I’m not sure of the EV6’s towing specs).
I love the smoothness of the EV drive (my happy place) and you definitely get that in the Escape while it’s in EV Only mode. And the Ford engineers have done a good job of the petrol transition which is hardly perceptible unless you push it.

Something else to consider maybe, is your at-home charging. I have been using the supplied “granny charger” but am going to get a wall connector (EVSE) which is going to cost about $4000 because of my house wiring. You will get away with a granny charger with a PHEV.

Ultimately what helped me go BEV was, that if I discovered I had made a horrible mistake, I could probably sell my car for what it cost me. (I didn’t). That won’t always be the case as the supply of EVs improves. So happy with the M3 that I have had approval from the domestic finance controller to look at further electrifying the fleet by replacing our petrol Focus with either an Escape or Eclipse Cross PHEV (with a towbar).

Rated for 1600kg on the long range

Manual pages here:

https://ev6.synology.me/en/topics/chapter6_35.html

Interestingly it included the following "On a long uphill grade, shift down and reduce your speed to around 70 km/h (45 mph) to reduce the possibility of motor overheating." - not sure how the downshift is achieved given the fixed gear ratio.

Personally think the EV6 will tow great. It is a really heavy, and fairly powerful RWD car. If the range is cut in half by towing (about the impact on my hybrid SUV when I tow a 24", cira 1500kg race yacht), the east coast of the coromandel is still within range of of the EV6 (especially the Long range). Do you tow with your model 3?

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#2917427 22-May-2022 22:54

lchiu7:

Just got an email from the dealer. They have the GT in for demo so I will do that. Said it drives similar to the entry model. Wait time is 3-6 months depending on colour etc. I guess in 3 months I could squirrel away $3K to pay for what I already set aside for the Escape.

Good stuff

Got similar comments from my dealer (My dealers test car was an Air AWD Long range, which is not a trim listed online).

Kinda surprised - AWD cars are 239kW & 0-100 in 5.3 sec. Entry car is 125kW & 0-100 in 8.3s. Entry car is over 200kg lighter. Their should be a difference in how they drive.

But you will get the general idea, and for me, most modern car's drive fine (especially lightly loaded). - It is more the other stuff (ergonomic's, space etc) that can be determined by just sitting in the car that is important.

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#2917460 23-May-2022 08:07

Scott3:Do you tow with your model 3?

It doesn’t have a tow bar (yet).

The NZ Owner’s Manual states:

“WARNING Do not use Model 3 for towing purposes. Model 3 does not currently support towing. Towing can cause damage and increase the risk of a collision.
CAUTION Using Model 3 for towing before Tesla-approved towing components and accessories are available may void the warranty.”
(direct cut and paste)

My Tesla Advisor assured me it could tow up to 910kg (braked) but there are no official Tesla tow hitches. The UK owner’s manual does allow towing and has a whole section in the “Vehicle Loading” chapter. Strange when the UK model is built in the same Shanghai factory. The NZ manual is a cut and paste job from the US manual (as is the Aussie one).

So I will need something in writing from Tesla NZ before I fit one.

The above is partly why I am still leaning towards replacing our second car with something like the Eclipse Cross PHEV which has an official tow bar and is rated at 750/1500kg.

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