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#238075 2-Jul-2018 13:03

I've heard the Tesla model S in the US is NZD 52,000, without US federal subsidy, or any options. (USD 35,000)

But the equivalent in New Zealand is NZD142,600., or 2.7 X

I've read parts and installation of the home Tesla power wall connector is more or less equivalent NZD 2,200

https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/models/design

https://electrek.co/2017/08/02/tesla-model-3-charging-options/

Is this correct?

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#2047487 2-Jul-2018 13:38

The cheapest Model S, according to the Tesla website, has a cash price of USD74,500.

Can I ask where you got your pricing information from?

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#2047532 2-Jul-2018 13:47

kingdragonfly:

Is this correct?

No. You've quoted the US price for the cheapest Model 3, and the local price for the Model S.

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#2047544 2-Jul-2018 13:51

The cheapest Model "3" is promised to be 35K,

but that's the entry level spec, which is not yet in production, (apparently Q1'19, but that is "Elon time", not sure what it will be in the "real world"

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-35k-base-trim-production-q1-2019/

Currently the Cheapest Model 3 available is 49K US

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1117498_tesla-model-3-order-guide-pricing-details-revealed-for-performance-and-all-wheel-drive-models

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#2047548 2-Jul-2018 14:03

Well I am not sure if you have seen how they deliver Telsas to NZ? They Strap them to a massive rocket whilst playing David Bowie! No wonder it's so expensive here. :)

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#2047557 2-Jul-2018 14:12

Not sure if it puts price expectation for the Model 3 in perspective, but for US$35k you can buy a new MB CLA 4-matic Sport. List price in NZ for that model is $84,000.

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#2047565 2-Jul-2018 14:28

networkn:

Well I am not sure if you have seen how they deliver Telsas to NZ? They Strap them to a massive rocket whilst playing David Bowie! No wonder it's so expensive here. :)

Actually given the recent fall in the NZ dollar ( and Tesla not updating price) , an "S" is cheaper here than in the US (exc GST)

Base "S"

NZ - $121,500 NZD @68c USD = 82.5K USD (that's about 72K USD exc GST)

US = $74K USD (excluding sales tax)

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#2047651 2-Jul-2018 16:13

I definitely want a model 3.

Given the simplicity of the model 3 dashboard, you'd guess it would easier than usual to make RHD.

But I think all models are not "drive by wire": they're electronically assisted, so there's is a steering column.

Speaking of the model S, It did have about 120,000 models recalled because of steering problems.

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#2047679 2-Jul-2018 16:34

Having looked at Tesla vehicles closely and sat in them I would never buy one. They definitely do not feel or look like a car over $100,000. The fit and finish is poor. If you look at the doors they often have varying gaps. Boot and bonnet misfit and interiors that are just cheap. If I were to buy a EV SUV the one I would look at is the Jaguar 1-Pace.

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#2047682 2-Jul-2018 16:37

MikeB4:

Having looked at Tesla vehicles closely and sat in them I would never buy one. They definitely do not feel or look like a car over $100,000. The fit and finish is poor. If you look at the doors they often have varying gaps. Boot and bonnet misfit and interiors that are just cheap. If I were to buy a EV SUV the one I would look at is the Jaguar 1-Pace.

Same. I shudder to think what happens when you crash one seriously.

I'm still waiting for my Electric S4 to be released or Turbo 3 Series BMW Touring.

Sadly, looks like they have delayed it and it's going to be stupid expensive, so will likely opt for the Diesel BMW this time.

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#2047687 2-Jul-2018 16:43

Check out this cheeky b*astard, selling a reservation for a model 3.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Tesla-MODEL-3/142848091564

There's no mention of transferring one in the T & C

https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/model-3-reservations-faq

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Frank99 | March 8, 2018

>>> So are you saying that transfers of reservations are not permitted under any circumstances?

I don't think anyone said that other than andy, who seems a bit cranky this morning.

Many reservations have been transferred to family members - parents, children, etc. If you wished to transfer to your son-in-law, Tesla would certainly have no problem transferring it to your daughter/son-in-law as a family transfer, and perhaps would allow a transfer to just your son-in-law. Give them a call and discuss it.

If you want to transfer it to a non-family member, the publicly stated stance from Tesla is "No".

Some people have figured out ways to do it, but it generally involves either the buyer paying a large amount of money over MSRP, or having a great deal of trust (like, $50,000 worth) in the person that you're dealing with.

This type of transfer is considered to be just this side of fraud by most here, so you won't find much discussion of it other than, like andy's comment, reflexive answers against it.

The recommendation would be that if you don't want your reservation, cancel it and get your $1000 back.

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#2047695 2-Jul-2018 16:48

MikeB4:

Having looked at Tesla vehicles closely and sat in them I would never buy one. They definitely do not feel or look like a car over $100,000. The fit and finish is poor. If you look at the doors they often have varying gaps. Boot and bonnet misfit and interiors that are just cheap. If I were to buy a EV SUV the one I would look at is the Jaguar 1-Pace.

Another thing is that they are *huge* cars

The S is bigger than a Bentley Continental GT

the X is bigger than a Touareg, X6, Q8 or Cayenne

The "small" "3" is around the same size as a Jag SE, or a bunch or Euro wagons..

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#2047706 2-Jul-2018 16:53

kingdragonfly: Check out this cheeky b*astard, selling a reservation for a model 3.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Tesla-MODEL-3/142848091564

There's no mention of transferring one in the T & C

https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/model-3-reservations-faq

The FAQ is not T&Cs,

T&Cs are here , and its fairly clear where all the power in the agreement sits...

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/model_3_reservation_agreement.pdf

"4. Acknowledgements; Non-Transferable

You understand that we will not hold your Reservation Payment separately or in an escrow or trust fund or pay

any interest on your Reservation Payment. Your Reservation is not transferable or assignable to another party

without the prior written approval of Tesla."

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#2047749 2-Jul-2018 17:40

wellygary:Another thing is that they are *huge* cars
The S is bigger than a Bentley Continental GT
the X is bigger than a Touareg, X6, Q8 or Cayenne

The "small" "3" is around the same size as a Jag SE, or a bunch or Euro wagons..

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#2047775 2-Jul-2018 18:44

And to think Elon Musk was on two of President Trump's business advisory councils.

http://www.futurecar.com/2380/Tesla-Might-Lose-Big-in-U-S--China-Trade-War

"Recently the United States announced that it is going to impose tariffs on Chinese-made goods. The Republic of China also said that it plans on reciprocating by imposing tariffs of its own on products from the USA. These US made goods include Tesla's lineup which is manufactured in America and is exported to China which happens to be its largest export market even now.

Tesla sales in China constitute 17 percent of the company's revenue. In the year 2017, the electric car manufacturer sold over 14,000 vehicles. This only accounts for 3 percent of all electrified offerings sold in the Chinese market which include hybrid, plug-in hybrid and electric vehicles.

At 3 percent, Tesla's market share seems insignificant for China, but as Tesla is a luxury automaker and Chinese market is a vital source for the company's revenue. With nearly one fifth of the company's revenue coming from China, Tesla cannot afford to lose its market share in the country.
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Tesla happens to be one of the few automakers which export goods manufactured in North America to China. Other car makers are not as vulnerable to similar levels of risks as Tesla because most of them have a joint venture with China "

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#2047795 2-Jul-2018 19:03

Tesla MS (NZ New) owner here, happy to answer any questions you have about them.

I do absolutely love the car, I agree that the interior quality and some of the options are not quite up there with other European cars, but the tech is well ahead of any that I have come across, and they have a very high safety rating.

Quite hard to compare when you look at the price you pay to get the same interior spec etc as others as quite a significant part of the cost is the battery.

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