General Blackcaps Chat

Forums › Sports › General Blackcaps Chat

1 | ... | 104 | 105 | 106 | 107 | 108 | 109 | 110 | 111 | 112 | 113 | 114 | ... | 255

804 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2661515 22-Feb-2021 21:34

tdgeek:
Dochart:

If you would have told me Aus would have been 19-4 I would have been laughing. The Blackcaps have got this win in the bag.

Same. I saw it as 50/50 with a lot of pros and cons both ways, a guess. But this AUS team seems pretty average even if its just been 2.5 hours. Bowling was average to not bad. Fielding often looked less than urgent. Batting, well ,not great at all, but bear in mind we are playing top bowlers, and they are a B trial team.

We need to keep this in perspective tho. Our batting was not good, we cant spend every game relying on one star and a couple of nice cameos, but thats why we have often played, good but not great. We often do that. Bowling wise we have stars. And this AUS team is a trial team, out of quarantine, we are playing at home, at a track we know and love, and we are playing a full strength team. We should be smoking this.

Our batting wasn’t good and this was not our best 11. It’s time to move on from Guptill. Conway and Allen/Philips should be opening the batting.

Jase2985

13462 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Lifetime subscriber

#2661519 22-Feb-2021 21:42

@Tealeaf, you spend so much time posting in here, how do you manage to watch the game?

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#2661520 22-Feb-2021 21:44

I was about to say, Sodhi the master of not spinning it the way his action should and of pace change is the key to this match.

And he bowls a rank half tracker and still takes the Key wicket to the rest of this game. Aus was just getting back into it.

NZ 85:15 now imo

tdgeek

29750 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2661521 22-Feb-2021 21:45

Dochart:

Our batting wasn’t good and this was not our best 11. It’s time to move on from Guptill. Conway and Allen/Philips should be opening the batting.

Yep, but its close to full strength, once Guppy is out. I'd almost favour keeping Conway out of opening. Maybe he is better value by reducing his risk against strike bowlers, then he can make hay with the second tier bowlers. I guess where Im coming from is that seeing batting being decided by 1, with 2 or 3 batsmen in support is what we do a lot. Makes it really hard to get a big score, that's more like a lucky night, and easy to have bad luck and get a low score.

tdgeek

29750 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2661522 22-Feb-2021 21:46

Jase2985:

@Tealeaf, you spend so much time posting in here, how do you manage to watch the game?

Bachelor of Typing (Honours)

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#2661523 22-Feb-2021 21:48

Dochart:

Our batting wasn’t good and this was not our best 11. It’s time to move on from Guptill. Conway and Allen/Philips should be opening the batting.

Based on form, yep, although Munro would have to be 3rd having an "All Stars" season in Aus.

I hate seeing Guppy fail, he has the best lofted straight drive of any player in the world. But how can you pick a player who was injured for 4 games prior with no form. Made no sense to me. Not saying we drop him, but he definitely needs to produce or I think his time might be up. These young guys like Allen have zero fear, which for me is the key to t20s, gambling to win not playing to protect.

tdgeek

29750 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2661525 22-Feb-2021 21:53

I could live with Munro, but only at 4. He cannot deal with top bowlers. Or pressure to score. Give him lesser bowlers and no pressure he can deliver regularly. If he got 23 from 9 every game Id pick him every game

Sharesies

Trade NZ and US shares and funds with Sharesies (affiliate link).

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#2661526 22-Feb-2021 21:54

tdgeek:

Yep, but its close to full strength, once Guppy is out. I'd almost favour keeping Conway out of opening. Maybe he is better value by reducing his risk against strike bowlers, then he can make hay with the second tier bowlers. I guess where Im coming from is that seeing batting being decided by 1, with 2 or 3 batsmen in support is what we do a lot. Makes it really hard to get a big score, that's more like a lucky night, and easy to have bad luck and get a low score.

What is really about, is stacking your team with as many aggressive no fear batsman as possible, along with 1 or 2 who are consistent at going the distance.

So one day 2 or 3 will fail for sure. But if one produces like Phillips, then Neesham and you have Conway or Allen going the distance, 200 scores become a real possibility. T20 is ALL about batting. If we can fit 8 genuine batsman in that is ideal, I know we can fit 7, Santner cant really be considered 8, but still he fills a position, you could chuck mitchell in for santner for a bit better batting.

Its just so much fun when NZ get payback on the Aussies giving us rubbish about the test tour when we had 6 injuries, what is there excuses hehe. Payback is a b...

Until Aus beat NZ in NZ in a test series they cannot claim anything. And who is playing the WCT, rofl....

Dochart

804 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2661527 22-Feb-2021 21:56

tdgeek:
Dochart:

Our batting wasn’t good and this was not our best 11. It’s time to move on from Guptill. Conway and Allen/Philips should be opening the batting.

Yep, but its close to full strength, once Guppy is out. I'd almost favour keeping Conway out of opening. Maybe he is better value by reducing his risk against strike bowlers, then he can make hay with the second tier bowlers. I guess where Im coming from is that seeing batting being decided by 1, with 2 or 3 batsmen in support is what we do a lot. Makes it really hard to get a big score, that's more like a lucky night, and easy to have bad luck and get a low score.

Good point. Maybe it’s better to stick with Conway at 4 to reduce the risk. He’s playing so well in that position and by swapping him to opening then his form might slip.

Dochart

804 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2661528 22-Feb-2021 21:59

tdgeek:
I could live with Munro, but only at 4. He cannot deal with top bowlers. Or pressure to score. Give him lesser bowlers and no pressure he can deliver regularly. If he got 23 from 9 every game Id pick him every game

Maybe that’s why he has done so well in that position in the BBL but that means you would have to move Conway to open the innings

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#2661532 22-Feb-2021 22:07

Dochart:

Maybe that’s why he has done so well in that position in the BBL but that means you would have to move Conway to open the innings

For me, you have to play him as an opener, thats is role for Welli, he opens and plays a support role to Finn Allen, and then takes over IF Allen gets out, you want to give him as long as possible because he is consistent.

NZ have a flood of batsmen, definitely 7 batsmen can fit if Williamson bowls, but would be nice to somehow get 8 deep. I dont think Munro is good enough to bowl.

Still with Neesham/Mitchell/Santner/Jamo, there is enough there for 7-9, Sodhi is handy now and Southee started as an all rounder but just doesnt take batting seriously anymore, but good enough at 10.

With those top 7 batsman being flooded with 10 great batsmen, NZ is in a strong position provided those middle order all rounders can deliver 20-30 at SR200 etc, which I think they can.

Imo Conway and Allen opening will give NZ 200+ scores consistently. Munro 3 etc. After seeing Allen blocked by Munro and Guppy for Auck, Ive seen enough to know he has the capability, he just needs to keep delivering for Welli. Could see 5 Auck players in the team ;-p

tdgeek

29750 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2661535 22-Feb-2021 22:12

TeaLeaf:

What is really about, is stacking your team with as many aggressive no fear batsman as possible, along with 1 or 2 who are consistent at going the distance.

So one day 2 or 3 will fail for sure. But if one produces like Phillips, then Neesham and you have Conway or Allen going the distance, 200 scores become a real possibility. T20 is ALL about batting. If we can fit 8 genuine batsman in that is ideal, I know we can fit 7, Santner cant really be considered 8, but still he fills a position, you could chuck mitchell in for santner for a bit better batting.

Its just so much fun when NZ get payback on the Aussies giving us rubbish about the test tour when we had 6 injuries, what is there excuses hehe. Payback is a b...

Until Aus beat NZ in NZ in a test series they cannot claim anything. And who is playing the WCT, rofl....

100% what I bolded. Thats where the old guard hold us back. As I said you cant expect every batter to go big, or even go average. But most dont the way we play. We rely on one with a couple others. Some days we do better, excellent score, then we do worse super LOW score. Not enough of us contribute on most nights. I dont like Munro, he has proven himself to fail too often. Selectors had the faith and paid for it. BUT if he only every got 23 from 9 in EVERY match, Id pick him every match.

155 from 184 from 3 players given to us by one rare score won't cut it. Three 40's and three 20's every match is the goal. Thats par before you consider the remaining 5 players, some of whom will be batsmen/all rounders.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#2661536 22-Feb-2021 22:12

Sodhi continues to deliver. Can he get the 5fa,,,, feels like watching conway getting to 99no

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#2661538 22-Feb-2021 22:15

tdgeek:

Three 40's and three 20's every match is the goal. Thats par before you consider the remaining 5 players, some of whom will be batsmen/all rounders.

Yep, I think flooding the team with players who can do that consistently, along with 2 players who can go 15-20 overs, really gets us into the 200+ scores, which will be par for the world cup.

tdgeek

29750 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2661540 22-Feb-2021 22:17

TeaLeaf:

Imo Conway and Allen opening will give NZ 200+ scores consistently.

No. They won't bat as long if they open. Faster, smarter and fresher bowlers will cost wickets, id prefer his runs to happen consistently if he avoids the early overs, better value.

Kane to open. He's safer. Philips, maybe.

1 | ... | 104 | 105 | 106 | 107 | 108 | 109 | 110 | 111 | 112 | 113 | 114 | ... | 255