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#2920271 30-May-2022 07:53

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The one I was thinking off was Alonso

Another boring Monaco race. Pitstop strategy? Nah, just cover everyone off. Safety car, rain didnt add much to the jeopardy. About all you could do is remove the chicane at the end of the tunnel and make the tunnel to Tabac a DRS straight. Otherwise its a party event with a poor racing spectacle

Ah, not familiar with that one. The Bernoldi one still has a place in my heart.

There is an alternative option they talk about sometimes where they would push out to the far end of the next wharf, where the trucks park now and create a new, Gasworks-style hairpin at the other end of the harbour, and then through another swimming pool section back towards the pits. But it never pans out.

It's really interesting how the spectacle of the racing at Monaco suddenly matters. LH won it for years and no one said anything, yet as soon as someone else starts winning and he stops, the English-speaking F1 world is full of 'the racing at Monaco sucks'.

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#2920275 30-May-2022 08:07

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#2920283 30-May-2022 08:36

He spent more time swearing than waiting.

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#2920355 30-May-2022 13:12

I really dislike Monaco GP and have for years, even when Hamilton was winning it.

While very historic, I think its not compatible with modern GP. I think one of the commentators said something along the lines of 33 pole qualifiers have won out of 36 races or something similar.

Time to drop this race from the calender and replace it with one where overtaking is possible. I gather the race agreement expires now/soon.

Only downside of dropping the race is the new circuit will most likely be held by n some despotic nation....

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#2920358 30-May-2022 13:16

Yep, dispite its historic appeal, it is not fit for purpose any more. The cars are too wide, long and heavy. They've got too much downforce to be a real challenge and any car can essentially stop any other car from overtaking unless completely mismatched (Gasly on Zho I think when Gasly was on the inters). Alonso held up Hamilton because he was able to as there is no real overtaking places, you can't even just lunge late in to a corner as its all too tight. Be happy to see this go off the calendar... ideally replaced with antoher european classic but as said it will be somewhere boring with another boring tilke track.

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#2920361 30-May-2022 13:26

Benoire:

Yep, dispite its historic appeal, it is not fit for purpose any more. The cars are too wide, long and heavy. They've got too much downforce to be a real challenge and any car can essentially stop any other car from overtaking unless completely mismatched (Gasly on Zho I think when Gasly was on the inters). Alonso held up Hamilton because he was able to as there is no real overtaking places, you can't even just lunge late in to a corner as its all too tight. Be happy to see this go off the calendar... ideally replaced with antoher european classic but as said it will be somewhere boring with another boring tilke track.

Rather than stripping anything that isn't a Tilkerdome off the calendar and getting a boring race anyway, maybe it's time to accept having cars that are metres longer than the 1990s ones and the lack of refueling is ruining the spectacle, and that changing that might mean better racing everywhere, not just at Monaco.

There simply isn't a waiting list of Éuropean Classics' that will serve up great racing with cars this big and swapping a race with some actual character for something that will give you about the same levels of racing with less spectacle is throwing away a distinctive feature of F1 and gaining possibly nothing for it.

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#2920363 30-May-2022 13:29

refueling isn't the panacea I do not think, it was quite boring to be honest as overtaking was done in the pits rather than on the track. The cars are going to be this way as the safety aspects have heavily influenced the size and shape along with the increase in fuel tank and engine. Ground effect also increases the size as they need more floor to acheive the speeds... the old ways where quite spectacular but increadibly dangerous... just listen to brundle talk about his days and how dangerous it was.

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#2920371 30-May-2022 13:40

Boring racing isnt track related. Apart from Monaco.

Maybe:

1. Mandatory 3 pitstops

2. Use whatever tyres you like, whenever you like

Then its all about strategy, fresh tyres, speed. All three of these factors can help or hinder a car id used well, or not so well/a bit late

It has been A) cannot follow, that's been improved. B) One stop. C) Don't go fast, save fuel and/or tyres. Throw those all out and formulate a race thats based on fast as you can for all of the 305km

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#2925513 12-Jun-2022 10:37

Again Ferrari are quick in Quali, but down 9kph in the straight. Might again be exposed to the two RBR's especially as Sergio is now running hot

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#2925600 12-Jun-2022 13:11

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It has been A) cannot follow, that's been improved. B) One stop. C) Don't go fast, save fuel and/or tyres. Throw those all out and formulate a race thats based on fast as you can for all of the 305km

We've had dozens of snooze fests over the years when the reality is the issues are usually always long cars, crappy tyres, downforce wakes and a lack of refuelling.

This weird idea that Monaco should meet a higher standard than, say, Spain did for years, is really something.

Just make the cars 4m long again and allow refuelling. You can make a rule that stops have to be for either fuel or tyres but can't be both. And then just let them race without it eating a set of tyres.

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#2925870 13-Jun-2022 07:22

An exciting finish robbed by Ferrari's ongoing reliability issues. Maybe they have the engine tuned up too much, perhaps back that off and trim the wing

Russell continues to dominate Mercedes. One of the commentators was hoping that George and Lewis would be together so they can fight, see who's best. Maybe just check the 2022 stats to find that out

Oh well, Canada this week

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#2925915 13-Jun-2022 10:19

F1 finds itself in an interesting spot now, having moved to ground effect downforce style in new regs.
Becoming a driver health issue now the bouncing is not resolved.
Two sides to that of course, in terms of some teams do have it under control and shouldn't be penalised, and other teams don't and it's an issue.

Ferrari engines blowing up all over the grid.

McLaren still frustratingly slow. Better showing from Ricciardo this outing though, but Norris does seem to have the edge there.

Sergio doing pretty well against Max.

Alonso doing well at holding the pack up. These cars can follow close, but still have issues around overtaking and DRS is super important to the racing still sadly.

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#2925935 13-Jun-2022 10:51

Jaxson:

F1 finds itself in an interesting spot now, having moved to ground effect downforce style in new regs.
Becoming a driver health issue now the bouncing is not resolved.
Two sides to that of course, in terms of some teams do have it under control and shouldn't be penalised, and other teams don't and it's an issue.

Its interesting isn't it. The way the current field that are suffering can do something about it is to simply raise the ride height but they'll lose so much performance, and that would include Ferarri. The only team really to get on top of the ground effect is RB... Adrian Newey is amazing along with the rest of his RB chassis and aero team. I suspect that the FIA/F1 would do something about it if half the grid suddenly lost more than the 1s that they are behind Ferarri/RB if the teams did this as it wouldn't make F1 a spectacle anymore... Watching with interest!

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#2925956 13-Jun-2022 11:19

Yeah you could actually see that 107% Q1 pace exclusion rule coming into play if they slowed enough to prevent the bouncing.

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#2925960 13-Jun-2022 11:22

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/128943293/formula-one-injured-lewis-hamilton-in-doubt-for-canadian-gp-as-mercedes-car-issues-deepen

And yeah it's a bit two faced to say it's terrible and the sport needs to do something about it, when really it's just as easily the car that's terrible and that's something the teams can and should influence.

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