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#2964728 8-Sep-2022 17:04

Nice start (as we just got wicket 4)

I hope Kane goes hard, dont allow AUS to falter based on the current good start, they will fight. Lucky to get Warner though, are fir him to go out like that

Bowling is solid.

BUT, the team batting second on this track has a sizeable advantage, and Green is not playing.

BUT, if NZ batted away the other day in daytime, so can AUS, so another downside to AUS

Dunno how many times I've seen Black Caps get thrashed (after the start we got) then we win in great fashion to set up the series, then, we get blown away game 3! Probably more so against the trans Tasman cousins than anyone else.

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#2964751 8-Sep-2022 18:20

Williamson letting the game drift again. Where are Henry and Boult?

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#2964757 8-Sep-2022 18:48

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Williamson letting the game drift again. Where are Henry and Boult?

Finally in. May have been better when Maxwell came in

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#2964887 9-Sep-2022 06:31

Well, that was the worst game Ive ever seen from the Black Caps and there are many to choose from

I have no real issue with losing early wickets, thats been a theme at that track for some reason.

What I have an issue with is the RR wasnt low, it was borderline zero. Early on, ok, the required RR was less than 4, so ok to wait it out. Even as it edged up, ok to wait it out. But they virtually stalled for an age. Then when they played shots, the shot choice and execution was poor. Mitchell sweeping summed up the match.

Unbelievable.

Its clearly not an issue with skill, they hopped on the plane under pressure and that never left them, its all between the ears. Ultra conservative bowling in game 1, and the same for batting in game 2.

I expect the same in game 3 even though its a dead rubber game. Perhaps that will help, and if it does that just proves my point.

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#2964911 9-Sep-2022 08:07

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Well, that was the worst game Ive ever seen from the Black Caps and there are many to choose from

I have no real issue with losing early wickets, thats been a theme at that track for some reason.

What I have an issue with is the RR wasnt low, it was borderline zero. Early on, ok, the required RR was less than 4, so ok to wait it out. Even as it edged up, ok to wait it out. But they virtually stalled for an age. Then when they played shots, the shot choice and execution was poor. Mitchell sweeping summed up the match.

Unbelievable.

Its clearly not an issue with skill, they hopped on the plane under pressure and that never left them, its all between the ears. Ultra conservative bowling in game 1, and the same for batting in game 2.

I expect the same in game 3 even though its a dead rubber game. Perhaps that will help, and if it does that just proves my point.

Dreadful stuff.

Yeah, it's definitely about what's going on between the ears - to play well in any sport it's about confidence & playing in a positive manner... like most of this year we were too tentative yet again, so on most occasions our results have been poor.

It's astonishing that we are not up 2 zip, instead we gifted them the series.

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#2965012 9-Sep-2022 11:34

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Well, that was the worst game Ive ever seen from the Black Caps and there are many to choose from

I have no real issue with losing early wickets, thats been a theme at that track for some reason.

What I have an issue with is the RR wasnt low, it was borderline zero. Early on, ok, the required RR was less than 4, so ok to wait it out. Even as it edged up, ok to wait it out. But they virtually stalled for an age. Then when they played shots, the shot choice and execution was poor. Mitchell sweeping summed up the match.

Unbelievable.

Its clearly not an issue with skill, they hopped on the plane under pressure and that never left them, its all between the ears. Ultra conservative bowling in game 1, and the same for batting in game 2.

I expect the same in game 3 even though its a dead rubber game. Perhaps that will help, and if it does that just proves my point.

Pathetic! You know things are pretty bad when they flash the worst scores graphics! They need to win the last one to recover some pride.

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#2965199 9-Sep-2022 18:44

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Dreadful stuff.

Yeah, it's definitely about what's going on between the ears - to play well in any sport it's about confidence & playing in a positive manner... like most of this year we were too tentative yet again, so on most occasions our results have been poor.

It's astonishing that we are not up 2 zip, instead we gifted them the series.

There's just no leadership, NZ were already beaten at the innings break, you could see it in the body language as they walked off the field. The bowling lacked any penetration once Boult and Henry came out of the attack. Despite the relative economy of Satner and Neesham, it became little more than an open wicket practice for Smith and his partners. The marginal stumping off Satner was gifted to the Kiwi's by the ridiculous attempt at a reverse sweep and some generosity from the third ump. It was playing it safe again instead of taking the game by the scruff of the neck.

And, exactly what was going on when they failed to review the LBW for the last wicket ... Williamson, Latham, and Bracewell, barely a peep out of any of them to the umpire or each other. No, let's let the Aussies pile on another 30-40 easy runs.

I give them no chance in the dead rubber. They have to empty the bench though, let's see what Ferguson, Sears, Phillips and Finn can do, nothing to lose.

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#2965203 9-Sep-2022 19:14

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There's just no leadership, NZ were already beaten at the innings break, you could see it in the body language as they walked off the field. The bowling lacked any penetration once Boult and Henry came out of the attack. Despite the relative economy of Satner and Neesham, it became little more than an open wicket practice for Smith and his partners. The marginal stumping off Satner was gifted to the Kiwi's by the ridiculous attempt at a reverse sweep and some generosity from the third ump. It was playing it safe again instead of taking the game by the scruff of the neck.

And, exactly what was going on when they failed to review the LBW for the last wicket ... Williamson, Latham, and Bracewell, barely a peep out of any of them to the umpire or each other. No, let's let the Aussies pile on another 30-40 easy runs.

I give them no chance in the dead rubber. They have to empty the bench though, let's see what Ferguson, Sears, Phillips and Finn can do, nothing to lose.

I agree with what I bolded. I blame the players and the captain. Mitchell is a classic example, he has been awesome. But he ridiculed himself. AUS is no sensation team, its just very good, but we treated them as if they are God. How we can bat and decide to take no runs is beyond belief. many players on both sides had few issues but the mentality of last night was CAUTION.Play your own game but dont be reckless, be careful if you need to be. But no, we shut up shop

I think they need some mental coaching, how to handle pressure. A cricket match isnt that big of a deal, do your best with your skills, try to make good decisions, mistakes dont matter. Over time follow the process the score will look after itself. Bt we seem to play not to lose. I=n many sports if you devote form your game you open up to errors, as its not natural

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#2965218 9-Sep-2022 20:50

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artbloke:

Dreadful stuff.

Yeah, it's definitely about what's going on between the ears - to play well in any sport it's about confidence & playing in a positive manner... like most of this year we were too tentative yet again, so on most occasions our results have been poor.

It's astonishing that we are not up 2 zip, instead we gifted them the series.

There's just no leadership, NZ were already beaten at the innings break, you could see it in the body language as they walked off the field. The bowling lacked any penetration once Boult and Henry came out of the attack. Despite the relative economy of Satner and Neesham, it became little more than an open wicket practice for Smith and his partners. The marginal stumping off Satner was gifted to the Kiwi's by the ridiculous attempt at a reverse sweep and some generosity from the third ump. It was playing it safe again instead of taking the game by the scruff of the neck.

And, exactly what was going on when they failed to review the LBW for the last wicket ... Williamson, Latham, and Bracewell, barely a peep out of any of them to the umpire or each other. No, let's let the Aussies pile on another 30-40 easy runs.

I give them no chance in the dead rubber. They have to empty the bench though, let's see what Ferguson, Sears, Phillips and Finn can do, nothing to lose.

Yeah, the captain & our leadership group are hopeless, the communication between them is very poor, no wonder our reviews are so bad... It's also about each individual not doing their roles properly, they're lacking decent concentration/composure.

Aussie were not that flash in these first two ODIs either, just that we were much worse... as you say we have nothing to lose in this last one, we need to show far more mongrel, really rip into them.

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#2970467 20-Sep-2022 12:45

NZ T20 World Cup squad has been named ...

Kane Williamson (c)
Martin Guptill
Finn Allen
Devon Conway (wk)
Daryl Mitchell
Glenn Phillips
Mark Chapman
Jimmy Neesham
Mitchell Santner
Michael Bracewell
Ish Sodhi
Adam Milne
Tim Southee
Lockie Ferguson
Trent Boult

No room for CDG, though I guess that's not a surprise as he hasn't featured for NZ recently. I would have preferred him over some of the selected all-rounders in this squad. Not sure we have the talent to go to the final again.

Opening game against the Aussies at the SCG next month.

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#2970468 20-Sep-2022 12:50

CDG retired from international cricket. I would have selected Munro over Chapman due to playing in the BBL for 2 years. It would have been vital for NZ success in the T20 WC.

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#2970721 21-Sep-2022 06:32

Looks like another team with no innovation. Guppy is well on his journey to no mans land, continual failures. We are using Ish Soda. No issue with that, but he's clearly a second string spin bowler, so why are we playing him? Where is the guy that took 10 wickets, I cannot even remember his name, as once he pulled off that massive event, never to be seen again. Lets continue to play players till their pension is due

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#2975735 1-Oct-2022 10:03

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Looks like another team with no innovation. Guppy is well on his journey to no mans land, continual failures. We are using Ish Soda. No issue with that, but he's clearly a second string spin bowler, so why are we playing him? Where is the guy that took 10 wickets, I cannot even remember his name, as once he pulled off that massive event, never to be seen again. Lets continue to play players till their pension is due

Yeah, since Patel took 10 wickets in an innings against India it's beyond belief he hasn't been selected again, especially in test matches... also with us playing so poorly this year it's probably time we changed the coach.

Hadlee took 9 wickets in an innings against Aussie in Brisbane & caught the last one in the outfield, must have been very tempting for him to drop it on purpose so he could have another bowl to get all 10 😃

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#2975744 1-Oct-2022 10:50

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Yeah, since Patel took 10 wickets in an innings against India it's beyond belief he hasn't been selected again, especially in test matches... also with us playing so poorly this year it's probably time we changed the coach.

Hadlee took 9 wickets in an innings against Aussie in Brisbane & caught the last one in the outfield, must have been very tempting for him to drop it on purpose so he could have another bowl to get all 10 😃

I like Ish, but he hardly gets a game, Santner is gold, but wickets dont show up much in the stats. Patel is great, but I guess he will get a go when Ish and Mitch retire at age 47, thats what we seem to do in cricket in this country.

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#2975751 1-Oct-2022 11:16

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Yeah, since Patel took 10 wickets in an innings against India it's beyond belief he hasn't been selected again, especially in test matches... also with us playing so poorly this year it's probably time we changed the coach.

Hadlee took 9 wickets in an innings against Aussie in Brisbane & caught the last one in the outfield, must have been very tempting for him to drop it on purpose so he could have another bowl to get all 10 😃

I like Ish, but he hardly gets a game, Santner is gold, but wickets dont show up much in the stats. Patel is great, but I guess he will get a go when Ish and Mitch retire at age 47, thats what we seem to do in cricket in this country.

Reckon Sodhi can be a really good spinner, but tends to bowl too many loose balls - Santner bowls pretty tightly, but doesn't spin the ball, so he's much better suited to the short form stuff... it's waste of talent not giving Patel a crack.

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