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  #2925963 13-Jun-2022 11:29
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Yep.  Merc could and should increase the ride height to give their drivers some respite but they won't as they'll become like McLaren or worse, like Williams, but at the same time when you've got other teams and drivers such as Sainz in the Ferarri complaining, then its time to consider what that means even if that neutralises the teams that have solved it.  F1 cannot afford for most of the teams to be uncompetative otherwise it becomes like the farce of Indianpolis when the bridgestones could run and the pirellis couldn't and there where only 3 (?) teams racing and the rest didn't but then I'd imaigne they do not want to penalise the teams that have solved it... I wonder how the UK Health and Safety Act might actually cause some changes here as the drivers are contracted to the teams and likely considered employees under law..




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  #2925979 13-Jun-2022 12:10
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Benoire:

 

F1 cannot afford for most of the teams to be uncompetative

 

 

Unfortunately for Mercedes, the past seven years suggests otherwise. 


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  #2925985 13-Jun-2022 12:15
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GV27:

 

Unfortunately for Mercedes, the past seven years suggests otherwise. 

 

 

It think its all relative to be honest, Mercedes was the next closest to Ferrari and was 1s behind... raising ride height for all the cars the are suffering would make this even worse... far more than the engine defecit that the field had against Mercedes had in 2014, blown diffuser in the RB in 2010 etc.  None of these engine issues caused potentially damaging human health issues just by driving a car. 




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  #2925987 13-Jun-2022 12:18
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Apparently even the cars that aren't porpoising have problems. Ricciardo "He explained: “Yeah. No one is saying this to try and get any advantage. You've got the Ferrari drivers and even Max [Verstappen] was saying how tough it is. You’ve either got porpoising and the car’s hitting the ground, or if you have no porpoising you're able to run the car one cm from the ground and you're smashing the bumps."

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  #2925993 13-Jun-2022 12:25
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Bung: Apparently even the cars that aren't porpoising have problems. Ricciardo "He explained: “Yeah. No one is saying this to try and get any advantage. You've got the Ferrari drivers and even Max [Verstappen] was saying how tough it is. You’ve either got porpoising and the car’s hitting the ground, or if you have no porpoising you're able to run the car one cm from the ground and you're smashing the bumps."

 

No one is holding a gun to the teams' head and saying "your ride height must be under X". 


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  #2926005 13-Jun-2022 12:55
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So what's the answer, keep going for ground effect and replace broken backed older drivers with young, dumb and hungry ones like Lando who, when asked, “How is the ride in McLaren?” replied, “It’s beautiful. I’m loving it at the minute. Umm, I’m not complaining, yeah. We have some porpoising, some bouncing, but it’s what you have to deal with.”

 
 
 

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  #2926008 13-Jun-2022 13:00
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Benoire:

 

 

 

It think its all relative to be honest, Mercedes was the next closest to Ferrari and was 1s behind... raising ride height for all the cars the are suffering would make this even worse... far more than the engine defecit that the field had against Mercedes had in 2014, blown diffuser in the RB in 2010 etc.  None of these engine issues caused potentially damaging human health issues just by driving a car. 

 

 

Driving too fast in the wet can cause injury. Mercedes appear to have a faulty car, fix it or dial it out. If they are then 2 secs slow, thats ok, it was ok for everyone else in 2014. As Merc designed a wonderful car, good on them. But if they designed a poor car they get a leg up?

 

Lewis said "We have a much different looking car to everyone else and we need to look and see whether that’s right or wrong.”

 

Probably not far off. They are a top team, they can't resolve it, so fall in line with other designs that work fine


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  #2926013 13-Jun-2022 13:10
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Bung: So what's the answer, keep going for ground effect and replace broken backed older drivers with young, dumb and hungry ones like Lando who, when asked, “How is the ride in McLaren?” replied, “It’s beautiful. I’m loving it at the minute. Umm, I’m not complaining, yeah. We have some porpoising, some bouncing, but it’s what you have to deal with.”

 

I mean.... yes? If they don't want to make the engineering changes and find a set-up that works with a higher ride height then outsourcing that to a grid-wide rule change shouldn't really be the go-to.

 

This is Merc's first year without a car that isn't capable of competing at the pointy-end since Schumacher was driving. They have a vested interest in changes that will drag the front of the field back to them.


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  #2926061 13-Jun-2022 14:09
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LH has back pain and can't drive in Canada. 

 

Imagine some young dude driving his car and winning.... 


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  #2926067 13-Jun-2022 14:16
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Over George's dead body!

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  #2926110 13-Jun-2022 15:02
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Batman:

 

LH has back pain and can't drive in Canada. 

 

Imagine some young dude driving his car and winning.... 

 

 

He posted on his Instagram a few hours ago that he will be there next week.





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  #2926562 14-Jun-2022 19:44
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Nice stat. Yes I'm an RBR fan, but also an F1 fan, Ferrari and Charles are great, but you can't beat the stats. At least both cars are even, no one is 2 seconds per lap faster.Its  a real competition, where it comes down to skill, luck, and driver reliability. 


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  #2930687 17-Jun-2022 08:26
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https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-announces-technical-directive-porpoising/

 

... health concerns ... the governing body has now intervened to address this issue, after conversations with doctors about how the drivers are being impacted by the cars bottoming out at high speed – and a technical meeting with the teams is due to take place in Canada about how the restrictions will be implemented.


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  #2930695 17-Jun-2022 08:44
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Looks like ride height increases with a mandated increase of 10mm if they breach the vertical movement which is TBC I think... and then apparent disqualification... Will be interesting to see if this solves the problem as there are two related issues; porpoising and bottoming out.  Purpoising is aerodynamic stall of the floor and requires a stiff suspension and low ride height to work where as the bottomining out appears to be caused by the lack of suspension travel and change in wheel size / suspension design restrictions.. both are linked and its possible that this won't actually solve the problem as ground effect requires the stiff suspension setups and and even if the car is not on the floor its probably still on the bump stops to ensure a consistent ride height... I believe that RBR have solved the purpoising issues but the ride quality is still affecting them over bumps but less so than others such as Merc or Ferarri.


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