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  #3235085 26-May-2024 21:39
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Ragnor:

Charles to finally win his home race.. lets go.



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  #3235227 27-May-2024 13:32
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Norris had a single moment chance of changing to softs but it would have been touch and go regardless. 

Well done to the winner.  Crazy start to the event and Mercedes just going full best of the rest pace was a hard watch.

The massive size of these cars does start to impact tracks like this but there's no getting past the prestige of the place.


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  #3235278 27-May-2024 14:52
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After an exciting lap 1 incident...guess there were less than 5 on track overtakes?



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  #3235284 27-May-2024 15:13
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Generally a terrible race. So boring. F1 are gonna have to introduce something for Monaco like a couple of mandated pit stops so some strategy can at least come into play.

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  #3235293 27-May-2024 15:29
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F1 really, apart from the other issues that Monaco presents, need to remove the ability to change tyres at red flags... they should keep what was on the car before the flag... if the tyre was damaged during the issues causing the red flag then it should be swapped with one of the same or closest type with as close to a similar age as possible.

 

Doing this would have solved the issues of pit stops which is one of the only normal areas of excitement at Monaco these days.

 

Unless they wind back the safety standards for the survival cell or remove the hybrid engines then the cars will continue to be long and wide as these, with the tyres, are the defining widths really.


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  #3235302 27-May-2024 16:04
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nzkc: Generally a terrible race. So boring. F1 are gonna have to introduce something for Monaco like a couple of mandated pit stops so some strategy can at least come into play.

 

Its one of the races I don't watch anymore. So very little passing





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  #3235357 27-May-2024 19:17
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nzkc: Generally a terrible race. So boring. F1 are gonna have to introduce something for Monaco like a couple of mandated pit stops so some strategy can at least come into play.

 

Agree. To me it was Ferrari vs McLaren, but it wasnt. There was a few moments when strategy could have happened, but the top 10 in the race was the top 10 in Quali. Exactly.

 

Monaco is iconic so they wont change the format, as it wont be "real" or "like it was" Years ago I watched a junior Alonso hold up the strong Coulthard Mclaren for most of the race. I actually laughed when the radio chat was drive as slow as you can, so its a bit of a joke to be honest. But like Singapore the other slot car track, you often get different results.

 

But 4 winners this year, its close, and its enjoyable sport, apart from this one


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  #3235360 27-May-2024 19:21
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Benoire:

 

F1 really, apart from the other issues that Monaco presents, need to remove the ability to change tyres at red flags... they should keep what was on the car before the flag... if the tyre was damaged during the issues causing the red flag then it should be swapped with one of the same or closest type with as close to a similar age as possible.

 

Doing this would have solved the issues of pit stops which is one of the only normal areas of excitement at Monaco these days.

 

Unless they wind back the safety standards for the survival cell or remove the hybrid engines then the cars will continue to be long and wide as these, with the tyres, are the defining widths really.

 

 

Great ideas. Can only pass in the pits so the SC removed pitstops. As was mentioned earlier, 2 mandatory pitstops would work, and as you say, a red flag is a red flag, red = Stop. Pause. Then like VSC or SC go back racing. 


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  #3235423 27-May-2024 20:51
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It was pretty painful. I watched the first twenty laps. Then skipped five minutes, watched one minute. Repeated until about ten to go. It's such a yawn fest. As pointed, there's no real easy fix. That's what I miss a little about refueling. Is that they seemed to go flat out on soft tyres on no fuel. Come back in, go back out. And it was quicker than lumbering around on hards and full fuel loads. 

 

Obviously it's not going to happen. I'm not sure how mandatory stops would go much beyond the compound change required now. You could force them all to use softs and they'd just go even slower trying to stretch them out. 


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  #3236750 28-May-2024 10:44
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Yeah the interaction points are all possible triggers for error. 

Removing refuelling has significantly altered the options for strategy calls and delays.  Cars now all go out with less fuel than they need to finish the race if driving hard, so it's instantly restricted to just going hard for periods of the race only and conserving at others.  Fuel management is important, don't get me wrong, but it has had an impact on racing for sure and seen long periods of processional style driving now.

Actually been a few questionable calls this year not in the spirit of the sport, with cars deliberately driving slow for long periods hurting the spectacle.

That hASS event was something else, taking out the entire team on the first couple of laps.  What was the outcome of that. 
Magnussen on 10 penalty points, two away from a race ban.


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  #3237753 28-May-2024 11:02
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Jaxson: Actually been a few questionable calls this year not in the spirit of the sport, with cars deliberately driving slow for long periods hurting the spectacle.

That hASS event was something else, taking out the entire team on the first couple of laps.  What was the outcome of that. 
Magnussen on 10 penalty points, two away from a race ban.

 

 

Deemed a racing incident with no penalty. I think Ocon has a grid penalty for his incident with Gasley. Alonso gets wasted effort of the day for slowing the rear of the field to give Stroll enough time for a free tyre change only to have Stroll stuff it into the wall and puncture.

 
 
 
 

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  #3237770 28-May-2024 11:38
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I actually felt the incident with the Hass is something that Perez could have done better with... he wasn't on the same line as everyone else through the corner and the hass was beyond his rear tyres... I felt the Hass was sufficiently far along the car to be given some room as we saw Bottas overtake in the same place later on in the race.  Racing incident was the right conclusion though.


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  #3237778 28-May-2024 12:10
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Benoire:

 

I actually felt the incident with the Hass is something that Perez could have done better with... he wasn't on the same line as everyone else through the corner and the hass was beyond his rear tyres... I felt the Hass was sufficiently far along the car to be given some room as we saw Bottas overtake in the same place later on in the race.  Racing incident was the right conclusion though.

 

 

He's in the wheel tracks of the Aston in front of him. You don't drive within the painted lane lines up the hill - no one does.

 

As for giving room, for Magnussen to pull this off, he would have had to stay level all the way to the right hander at the end of Casino Square - and Perez would have rights at the top of the hill as he would have been on the inside and it would have been moot anyway. There was no way for this to eventuate into a pass. Zero percent chance of success with a massive chance that exactly what happened would happen. 

 

He's just lucky Ocon did something even dumber in such short order that the attention went towards that instead. 


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  #3237783 28-May-2024 12:45
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Benoire:

 

I actually felt the incident with the Hass is something that Perez could have done better with... he wasn't on the same line as everyone else through the corner and the hass was beyond his rear tyres... I felt the Hass was sufficiently far along the car to be given some room as we saw Bottas overtake in the same place later on in the race.  Racing incident was the right conclusion though.

 

 

you don't win races by waving every car past you when they try to pull alongside, you also don't win races if you no longer go for a gap that exist

 

it's right to be deemed a racing incident i think, though it's a hard one, whether he went for a gap that no longer exist, but it's not the guy in front's job to wave everybody past


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  #3237787 28-May-2024 12:51
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https://youtu.be/elrssH5KrYY?t=8

 

He was running up the side of him on the approach to the accident zone, well before it happened (relatively given the speed they do).  Perez had plenty of time to see him in the mirrors and space to move, the Hass would have lost out later on in as the curve tightened but I've seen overtaking done there before but then I'm of the position that you do not deserve the racing line just by being there apart from last minute dive bombs in to tight slow corners/hairpins.


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