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#3053790 23-Mar-2023 13:58

Dochart:
When the ODI World Cup in India comes around this is who I would like to see playing.

1. Conway
2. Young/Chad Bowes
3. Williamson
4. Phillips
5. Latham (wk)
6. Daryl Mitchell
7. Santner/Neesham
8. Sodhi/M Bracewell
9. Henry/Southee
10. Ferguson
11. Boult

Yes that was my thoughts re Foxcroft not playing cricket even though he could have. The ICC will probably say, he hasnt hit enough boundaries to be eligible haha.

Chad Bowes is a solid white ball opener, List A avg 39 @ SR84 and T20 Avg 30 @ SR 139, those are some very healthy averages for a guy who only opens. Oddly he doesnt perform in Red ball. Thats not so uncommon, more the difference in Avg is a little unusual. He is a clean striker of the ball and often spanks the ball sounds like a rifle shot.

Do you think NZ can select Boult for ODIs? I feel like they have got themselves into a mess simply by not learning from Bond and Munro. In saying that, our team is pretty rubbish without the NZC central contracts.

Good to see Kane back in the top 3 and his avg almost back to 56. If he had continued the uninterrupted form at #3 since 2014, Im sure he would be close to avg 60, not to be, yet. He will need a string of 6 or so Tests with 150+ per test. He will definitely get back to #1 if he achieves that.

Conway back over avg 50 with a few decent scores against SL. That is 3 batsmen above 50 in the squad and the rest in the 40s but Nicholls.

GREAT to see Henry equal wickets in the series with Southee, with a series avg of 23 bringing his overall avg down 3 points. Him and Hadlee have so much in common. Both at around mid 130s and consistently hitting the top of 4th.

With the WC in Ind, you want Foxcroft, Phillips, M Bracewell all in one team and Sodhi as a bowler, who can actually bat a bit. Did Ajaz Patel retire?

I think I will be dissapointed if NZ does not make the Finals again with the amount of big hitters who score big along with those Bat/Spin all rounders. With all games being hosted 100% in Ind for the first time.

Dochart

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#3053796 23-Mar-2023 14:15

Chad Bowes overall batting average is 39 I remember reading somewhere that over the last 2 seasons he’s been averaging around 43 which is really good for an opener.

I think NZ should select Boult. If he performs well in the IPL I think they should select him. We don’t have a left arm fast bowler who is as good as Boult. Reminds me of when they did not select Munro in the T20 World Cup who had played in Australian BBL for the last 2 years of so before the 2022 T20 World Cup.

I’m really happy with Henry. Even though his test bowling average was around 40 but now with Boult gone and being able to open the bowling has made his bowling average come down lower. I think it would be possible to get that bowling average down to 27 or 26 if he can continue opening the bowling in tests.

I would love to see Foxcroft, Phillips & M Bracewell in the ODI World Cup along with Sodhi depending on the pitch. Ajaz Patel hasn’t retired but he is more of a test bowler but he’s done well in the Super Smash. Patel could be playing in the T20 side but we already have Santner & Sodhi who are averaging 22.20 and 22.41 respectively in T20 cricket and we also have M Bracewell who can bowl a few overs as well.

I would be disappointed if we don’t get the ODI WC Trophy this time. As long as NZ selector selects the best 15 players in the ODI World Cup then we should be fine. If possible we need to see Young, Bowes, Foxcroft & Phillips in the ODI World Cup.

TeaLeaf

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#3054574 25-Mar-2023 16:45

Dochart: Chad Bowes overall batting average is 39 I remember reading somewhere that over the last 2 seasons he’s been averaging around 43 which is really good for an opener.

I think NZ should select Boult. If he performs well in the IPL I think they should select him. We don’t have a left arm fast bowler who is as good as Boult. Reminds me of when they did not select Munro in the T20 World Cup who had played in Australian BBL for the last 2 years of so before the 2022 T20 World Cup.

Chad Bowes is an odd one, an excellient white opener, but only avg 29 in FC. I think its just a case of concentration. I like him.

The actually think they did select Munro, they refused to play him, and it cost us the T20 WC because we had noone to fill Conway breaking his hand. NZC had to adapt. They have just let all T20 players go with 8 white ball matches against SL left, so its just a case of mking acceptions for players who fall into the all time great NZ players category, who are also over 30yo. It wouldnt be hard for NZC to mke those the rules. Not many will make it and those that do deserve it to make money to secure their family future.

Very strange lineup for NZ in this T20. Latham at 5 and Captain, rarely plays ODIs. Then Phillips at 6 and Ravindra at 7.

Not a fan of Ravindra or Shipley. But NZ have selected 5 genuine bowlers and then they have Phillips and Ravindra are better than part timers and then you have Mitchell who can hold an end. Id like Cleaver or Fletcher as WK

But overall thats a darn good unofficial NZ A. Lots of depth aside from pace bowling stocks, but with big injury list, not surprise.

Eden Park looks best White Ball pitch I have seen in NZ in years/decades. They changed that clay just before NZ stopped playing tests at Eden Park, its super fast and super bouncy. I hope if they do western springs they take that drop in.

But wow, its very professional looking wicket and that ball is pace.

TeaLeaf

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#3054586 25-Mar-2023 17:17

Like commentary were saying, I dont see Ravindra as the Bowling all rounder, he has batted all the way through age group to where he is now, so he is either a top order batsman who is part time bowler or he is a failed middle order messing up the line up. I appreciate having him develop, but he has top press for a top 2 spot not middle order as we have guys in there already who shouldnt be, and solid #4 players asked to open. As usual its not a case of the player but just not being the right fit. If he saves NZ here and smashes a 90 odd, that will press for being somewhere in the team.

I like that NZ have scored this in partnerships with everyone giving 40 runs or so. NZ bat DEEP even Henry can tonk it and Sodhi has worked so darn hard on his bowling.

NZ should be thinking 300+, this wicket is a belta, fast, bouncy and short boundaries.

GV27

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#3054592 25-Mar-2023 17:48

Good to know on the rare occasions Auckland gets an ODI, the team can't even clear the ropes at Eden Park.

TeaLeaf

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#3054598 25-Mar-2023 19:08

GV27: Good to know on the rare occasions Auckland gets an ODI, the team can't even clear the ropes at Eden Park.

It is a bit rubbish, the historically best sporting stadium in NZ gets an ODI at the end of the year with NZs B team, bit insulting to the Eden Park trust really. Especially when you see how magnificent the pitch is, they have produced a very fast and bouncy 1 day pitch which is near perfect. The borders are small, but ive seen plenty of other grounds below 60m. 65-67 is fine and I do believe Auck deserves a test, its the best Test pitch for a bob each way and definitely for results. I think it was absurd to get a test under lights at the Bay oval and not Auck. However its definitely the premier white ball ground is Eden and for large crowds with quality seating and facilities thanks to the RWC.

Matt Henry is just simply too good, nobody can figure him out, he needs to somehow become less good, to get more edges, 1" and hes probably avgn 23 not 37.

Good to see nearly all the batsman contribute with 40-50 run innings. Should have really scored 320+. This is where Finn Allen needs to mature a little. He needs to learn how to anchor once the wickets start dropping, he edged it prior so thought going aerial was the way, but no. I would prob say that about all of the 8 batsmen in the team.

Edit: Shipley going great runs with the ball, is weird how the less talented often get the wickets with player error. None the less, he is the man for the moment.

Dochart

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#3054600 25-Mar-2023 19:16

Partnerships were key in this game. It was good that almost everyone contributed with the batting instead of one guy get a hundred and the rest of the team get out cheaply.

Henry economy rate for this game right now. Even though he hasn’t got any wickets at least he is applying pressure on the batsman which helps Shipley get the wickets and he should get at least a 5 wicket haul for this match. Is it just me that Shipley seems quite tall. Not like Jamieson height but be looks like the second tallest bowler in NZ Domestic &international setup?

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TeaLeaf

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#3054602 25-Mar-2023 19:27

Dochart: Is it just me that Shipley seems quite tall. Not like Jamieson height but be looks like the second tallest bowler in NZ Domestic &international setup?

KJ, Shipley, Tickner, Scott K, probably in that order. You would think with this pace and bounce the taller bowler will get the wickets that Henry puts pressure on. Usually its edging a drive just a bit too short that moves away or they get an edge when tryng to get under it and they hit it weakly to the outfield.

Edit: SL batsman just making really bad shots, some forced, some unforced. Overall I think SL have gotten themselves in this trouble. But they needed to win all 3 to auto qualify for the WC, so now they go into the 4 team wildcard pool.

Handle9

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#3054604 25-Mar-2023 19:38

Kuggelign is a gnome. He’s under 180cm tall

TeaLeaf

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#3054608 25-Mar-2023 19:56

Handle9: Kuggelign is a gnome. He’s under 180cm tall

I thought he is 6ft2, not sure why, maybe his speed. Matt Bacon and Rae might be taller. But Shipley and KJ are of a different stature all together. KJ would love the pace and bounce on his home wicket.

Seems they just going to share the wickets amongst the pace bowlers, would have been nice to see Sodhi at one end and Phillips at the other with spin. Both know the ground well. It looks like it will turn a lot.

Shipley has his 5fa on debut, well done! I think he could be the next KJ, currently early in his FC career he avgs ~27 with the ball and ~24 with the bat. That is a true all rounder if he can get the bat up to 30. Him and KJ or tiered together could be a real headache.

TeaLeaf

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#3057093 31-Mar-2023 12:52

The game is on, stunning weather up north today.

Finn Allen and GP out for the IPL, Chapman and Henry in.

In saying that the NZ team doesnt look a lot weaker, lets hope the SL blokes lift and make this a good close game.

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TeaLeaf

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#3057251 31-Mar-2023 18:13

Game on NZ 21/3. Looks like they went out swinging too early to me. SL have the ball moving in the air, NZ mostly had it only moving off the deck.

Latham is key here, Will Young seeing it out would help a lot too.

TeaLeaf

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#3057326 31-Mar-2023 20:10

BRILLIANT Will Young! Won this match for NZ when he came in at 0/2. Deserves a NO and really deserved a ton. Bloody Nicholls did good too to partner the last half of the innings off with Young.

I thought Chapman would have got the nod over Nicholls, Chapman List A Avg 48 his current ODI Avg 52. Surely they wont drop Chapman for Nicholls in the WC squad.... Although not sure if Chapman will even make it with sooo much depth in the IPL right now. But hes a solid white ball player. vs Nicholls ODI avg of just 34....

Liking Shipley and Matt Henry will have his ODI Ave drop to around 24.5. I think hes bowling just an inch further in toward off stump of late and its paying dividend. Id be surprised if hes not in the ODI team. Although NZ will have a lot of pace options once KJ returns, who Shipley is so similar too, just less pace, similar sized man mountain.

SL bowling did the best they could, 2 edges through 2nd slip and that wicket over turned as missing stumps must have hurt as that would have really had NZ struggling. Now they have to fight out the wild card spots just to make the WC, hard to think, but they havnt been out of SL for a long time either, so perhaps not a surprise.

Dochart

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#3057328 31-Mar-2023 20:16

Will Young definitely deserves player of the match award for todays innings. If he can do well in the Pakistan ODIs he should be opening the batting with Conway at the world cup in India. He needs to play more these type of innings in tests as well.

TeaLeaf

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#3057329 31-Mar-2023 20:23

Dochart: Will Young definitely deserves player of the match award for todays innings. If he can do well in the Pakistan ODIs he should be opening the batting with Conway at the world cup in India. He needs to play more these type of innings in tests as well.

Definitely. He deserves far more game time with his form.

Ha, Henry Shipley got man of the Series, hes been solid. Him and KJ together could be lethal. And hes youth in the squad.

Nicholls ahead of Chapman made no sense, avg 34 vs 52 (and Marks List A avg backs that up).

Going to be hard to pick a squad, let alone teams in the tournament, with all this depth.

I think NZ also just finished top of the WC League qualifier table. The 3 clean sweep to India being the blight in the form.

Edit: WC League 1. NZ 175 pts 2. Eng 155, we didnt just finish 1st, we were well out in front and Eng were 15 ahead of the rest. Ind have to produce pitches to ICC ODI WC standards, so I think NZ have a pretty good chance, especially with so many spinners in our squad if we do get a hairy pitch.

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