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#3010970 16-Dec-2022 18:45

afe66: Moving from sky to spark gave a marked improvement in service for me.

Sky is a tired product that survives because of monopoly (til recently). The drama with their boxes and upgrade just reinforces this.

My hopes of 4k sport have plummeted...

Bias?

I have had Sky for a long time. And SS since they got F1 and MotoGP. Do you recall that anger here and elsewhere then?

End of the day its competition.

I cannot recall when Sky was a monopoly.

Boxes? Mines been fine. Upgrade? Maybe I missed that, fine here

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#3010971 16-Dec-2022 18:48

thermonuclear:

Jaxson:

Big question is do sky geolock access to F1TV Pro in this region, as has happened in the past.

ie will you still be able to subscribe to that service (legitimately) from NZ, without the use of a VPN etc.

Better blimmin' not, they wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

I guess it comes down to the terms of the contract between Sky NZ and Liberty Media(?). Sky would have to pay a premium to the seller to have it geo-blocked, or have the exclusive rights to broadcast and digital media content. Apparently Liberty are the current owners of F1TV Pro.

I guess it's ultimately about what's in it for Liberty. Maybe they like having a world-wide audience to support their in-house company. They are probably big enough to say to potential broadcast partners, "this is how it's going to be, take it or leave it".

After all, that's how it was with Spark Sport. Even if you didn't have a Spark subscription, I think you could buy F1TV Pro as a stand-alone here this year. If they sign those rights away to broadcasters in individual countries, then not much point in having F1TV Pro.

I much prefer the coverage from F1TV Pro anyhow, not that I dislike the Sky UK coverage which I assume Sky NZ will use for their offering.

Its not about you or me. Sky, Spark Sport and F1TV are seperate entities. if some of them cohabitate, thats fine, its about them. They need to garner a return, otherwise no one gets anything.

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#3010984 16-Dec-2022 19:49

I am led to believe from a friend who works for spark. The success of drive to survive on Netflix, has significantly driven up the broadcasting rights value for the f1. Which spark were not willing to to pay. I would be amazed if there is not a significant price increase to recover the costs they would have paid. And no mention of f2 and f3 in their announcements

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#3010988 16-Dec-2022 20:06

Yeah not going to celebrate. Unlike spark sport. Which 1, gave you f1tv access as part of subscription. It didn’t also block you from going direct and paying $10 less a month than spark sport for just f1.

Sky has a habit of actively controlling all rights. And therefore stopping your from purchasing direct from source (v8 supercars anyone?).

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#3010989 16-Dec-2022 20:06

Cala7x: I am led to believe from a friend who works for spark. The success of drive to survive on Netflix, has significantly driven up the broadcasting rights value for the f1. Which spark were not willing to to pay. I would be amazed if there is not a significant price increase to recover the costs they would have paid. And no mention of f2 and f3 in their announcements

Id take that with a grain of salt.

FIA is an industry. F2 and F3 are part of that

Keep it simple.Spark Sport was bold, it just didnt work out. TNVZ isnt bold, so no wide range of sport

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#3010990 16-Dec-2022 20:08

davidcole:

Sky has a habit of actively controlling all rights. And therefore stopping your from purchasing direct from source (v8 supercars anyone?).

The rights holder controls all rights. That applies to the vast majority of what we watch.

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#3010991 16-Dec-2022 20:13

Cala7x: I am led to believe from a friend who works for spark. The success of drive to survive on Netflix, has significantly driven up the broadcasting rights value for the f1. Which spark were not willing to to pay. I would be amazed if there is not a significant price increase to recover the costs they would have paid. And no mention of f2 and f3 in their announcements

I'm not surprised by this, which I think lends weight to the idea that Sky will be unlikely to have exclusive rights to F1 across all platforms.

I found this from a press release last year, so my current expectation/hope is that F1TV Pro will continue to be available as a stand-alone product in NZ for those who don't want to go the Sky NZ route.

"Ian Holmes, Director of Media Rights and Content Creation at Formula 1®, says the arrival of F1® TV Pro in New Zealand means the service is now available in 86 countries, enabling more fans than ever before to have complete control of how they want to watch F1®.

F1® TV Pro will also be available direct to customer for $14.99/month or $99.99 for an annual pass.

Watching the first of the sprints on F1® TV Pro will give fans the following:

Live streaming of all F1® track sessions over the weekend of racing
Driver’s eye view from 20 cameras on board race cars
Access to live Team Radio channel
Pit Lane Channel with split-screen alternative views
Expert commentary and far-reaching F1® analysis before and after races
Instant replays and highlights on demand
850 hours of F1® archives as well as F1® exclusive shows & documentaries
Easy casting to TVs and big screens from the F1 TV App"

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#3010992 16-Dec-2022 20:16

F1TV Pro was never a standalone product in NZ. We only got access through a deal between F1 and Spark. I'd expect that Sky will wrap up the rights fully and have a geolocked deal otherwise it undermines the price that sky will pay and the attractiveness of the offer for Sky. I do hope, however, those with a sub can get F1TV like we did with Spark but that remains to be seen on the exact package, e.g. F2/F3, porsche supercup etc.

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#3010993 16-Dec-2022 20:19

thermonuclear:

Cala7x: I am led to believe from a friend who works for spark. The success of drive to survive on Netflix, has significantly driven up the broadcasting rights value for the f1. Which spark were not willing to to pay. I would be amazed if there is not a significant price increase to recover the costs they would have paid. And no mention of f2 and f3 in their announcements

I'm not surprised by this, which I think lends weight to the idea that Sky will be unlikely to have exclusive rights to F1 across all platforms.

I found this from a press release last year, so my current expectation/hope is that F1TV Pro will continue to be available as a stand-alone product in NZ for those who don't want to go the Sky NZ route.

"Ian Holmes, Director of Media Rights and Content Creation at Formula 1®, says the arrival of F1® TV Pro in New Zealand means the service is now available in 86 countries, enabling more fans than ever before to have complete control of how they want to watch F1®.

F1® TV Pro will also be available direct to customer for $14.99/month or $99.99 for an annual pass.

Watching the first of the sprints on F1® TV Pro will give fans the following:

Live streaming of all F1® track sessions over the weekend of racing
Driver’s eye view from 20 cameras on board race cars
Access to live Team Radio channel
Pit Lane Channel with split-screen alternative views
Expert commentary and far-reaching F1® analysis before and after races
Instant replays and highlights on demand
850 hours of F1® archives as well as F1® exclusive shows & documentaries
Easy casting to TVs and big screens from the F1 TV App"

I get what you say, but I see no relevance to the poster you quoted. If F1TV is accessible, then Sky would have paid a lot less. Works for both

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#3010994 16-Dec-2022 20:20

tdgeek:

The rights holder controls all rights. That applies to the vast majority of what we watch.

I disagree with this as it relates to F1. Yes, Spark Sport did bundle the F1TV Pro app with its offering as the previous NZ rights holder, however F1TV Pro was available to purchase in NZ in 2022 as a stand-alone product directly from them. Might be wishful thinking on my part but I'd expect that to continue in 2023 with Sky NZ as a rights holder.

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#3010995 16-Dec-2022 20:22

Benoire:

F1TV Pro was never a standalone product in NZ. We only got access through a deal between F1 and Spark. I'd expect that Sky will wrap up the rights fully and have a geolocked deal otherwise it undermines the price that sky will pay and the attractiveness of the offer for Sky. I do hope, however, those with a sub can get F1TV like we did with Spark but that remains to be seen on the exact package, e.g. F2/F3, porsche supercup etc.

I feel that F2/F3 etc will be part of whatever deal was done, its an FIA package. To make it "only" F1, that would be dumb. Won't happen

IMHO its a storm in a teacup. Its competition which everyone wanted, this move is just that, competition.

When Sky lost F1, great, then many whinged about fragmentation. The main issue is NZ still has access, end of story.

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#3010997 16-Dec-2022 20:28

thermonuclear:

I disagree with this as it relates to F1. Yes, Spark Sport did bundle the F1TV Pro app with its offering as the previous NZ rights holder, however F1TV Pro was available to purchase in NZ in 2022 as a stand-alone product directly from them. Might be wishful thinking on my part but I'd expect that to continue in 2023 with Sky NZ as a rights holder.

You can't really disagree. Rights holder holds all rights. If Sky wish to pay less and allow F1TV thats fine. They can choose to pay less to hold less rights. That will suit those that only watch F1, but Im sure many watch other sports as well.

Irregardless of what they signed for, some will benefit, some won't, thats competition.

Its a tad ironic that the long Sky bashing threads turned into fragmentation threads, which is the competition everyone wanted.

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#3011066 17-Dec-2022 01:21

Benoire:

F1TV Pro was never a standalone product in NZ. We only got access through a deal between F1 and Spark. I'd expect that Sky will wrap up the rights fully and have a geolocked deal otherwise it undermines the price that sky will pay and the attractiveness of the offer for Sky.

This is incorrect. F1TV Pro was launched into the NZ market as a stand-alone product at the same time the tie-in/bundle with Spark Sport was announced in 2021. It has been available to purchase by Kiwi's who didn't want to subscribe to Spark Sport since that point for $14.99 a month or $99.99 a year/season.

I'm sure Sky NZ, or indeed any potential rights partner, would like to lock up full exclusivity into the NZ market for obvious reasons. However, there's nothing to suggest that F1/F1TV Pro/Liberty Media as the rights owners even put that on the table in negotiations to sell their rights.

Sure, it might garner a better price for the rights owners, and a potential rights partner might prefer that, but it's largely at F1's discretion at the end of the day. They own the product and the rights to it. I'm sure there are many factors that come into it for both sides, hence the negotiation and the eventual agreement that both parties are happy with or can live with.

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#3011067 17-Dec-2022 02:25

tdgeek:

You can't really disagree. Rights holder holds all rights. If Sky wish to pay less and allow F1TV thats fine. They can choose to pay less to hold less rights. That will suit those that only watch F1, but Im sure many watch other sports as well.

I think we must be talking at cross purposes here, but clearly I can disagree with your viewpoint if I respectfully hold a different one to yours.

Any rights holder holds only precisely those rights which the rights owners are prepared to sell them by mutual agreement. I agree that typically a rights partner would like to hold/purchase "all" the rights from the owners so as to maximise the potential return through subscriptions.

However, we are talking about the specific rights for F1 broadcast into the NZ market. It's an assumption to suggest the NZ rights holder, in this case Sky NZ, might "choose" to pay less and hold less rights. They may not have even been offered a chance to hold "all the rights" (meaning exclusivity) to NZ broadcast by the rights owners when they sat down to negotiate.

It could be more a case from F1/Liberty Media of saying "here's what we're offering you ... non-exclusive rights to broadcast F1 on your platform in NZ ... this is the price ... it's your call, think about it and get back to us." When Sky NZ lost the rights last time, they cited falling viewership for their low bid and it was rejected by F1.

F1/Liberty want to do a deal and not be left without a NZ rights partner I'm sure, but they also know they have a valuable sports property and that they have their own broadcast platform through F1TV Pro to deliver it to NZ fans if it came to that. They hold the stronger hand in negotiations with any potential partner in any country. Long term they may want to drive the fan-base towards direct delivery, who really knows outside Liberty Media management.

Anyhow, as it's been of interest to me and several others here, I decided to contact F1/F1TV Pro via their Live Chat and see what they might know. I spoke with a CSR named Glen, who assured me that I would be able to purchase a subscription for the 2023 season directly from them. Nothing would be changing with respect to F1TV Pro's availability to be purchased by Kiwi's directly from them as far as he knew.

He was aware of the change in rights partner here from Spark to Sky for 2023. I did ask if it mattered if you had an existing account with F1TV Pro to being able to purchase a sub in 2023 from them and he said no, they would sell subs to new customers from NZ regardless. He did say existing account holders would be contacted with offers for 2023 in due course.

So, there you have it from CSR Glen FWIW. It seems we will have the option to go the Sky NZ route or the direct route for 2023.

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#3011078 17-Dec-2022 07:41

I forgot the Aus offering Kayo!

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