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#3175026 23-Dec-2023 14:19

Dochart: Bangladesh beat us in that one test in NZ and now seems like that will win todays ODI as well.

sorry doc, which test in NZ?

Im putting this loss on the new selector and Stead who is the final selector and can over turn any selection.

Ben Sears should be in this team, if hes seriously being considered long term for our test team. Losing Ferguson was a bit tough for ODI. Losing KJ for the Sa and aus tests this season will be a huge loss, presuming he cannot make it back by then.

But bringing Blundell back into this NZ ODI team with an avg of 28 at #5 is absurd. Rachin is not reliable yet, give him time.

essentially our batting ends at Tom Latham, and that including Nicholls at 3 and Rachin at opener who is too inexperienced just as of yet.

We picked two Batsman in Will Young and Tom Latham we could have "some" confidence in.

That is a prestigous record, most wins in a row at home, and we threw it away, leaving more glory to aussie.

This is what you get when you rest most of the team and disrespect minnows who showed in recently they now have better pace bowlers.

Dochart

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#3175027 23-Dec-2023 14:28

TeaLeaf:
Dochart: Bangladesh beat us in that one test in NZ and now seems like that will win todays ODI as well.

sorry doc, which test in NZ?

Im putting this loss on the new selector and Stead who is the final selector and can over turn any selection.

Ben Sears should be in this team, if hes seriously being considered long term for our test team. Losing Ferguson was a bit tough for ODI. Losing KJ for the Sa and aus tests this season will be a huge loss, presuming he cannot make it back by then.

But bringing Blundell back into this NZ ODI team with an avg of 28 at #5 is absurd. Rachin is not reliable yet, give him time.

essentially our batting ends at Tom Latham, and that including Nicholls at 3 and Rachin at opener who is too inexperienced just as of yet.

We picked two Batsman in Will Young and Tom Latham we could have "some" confidence in.

That is a prestigous record, most wins in a row at home, and we threw it away, leaving more glory to aussie.

This is what you get when you rest most of the team and disrespect minnows who showed in recently they now have better pace bowlers.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/bangladesh-in-new-zealand-2021-22-1288977/new-zealand-vs-bangladesh-1st-test-1288979/live-cricket-score

TeaLeaf

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#3175029 23-Dec-2023 14:37

Dochart: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/bangladesh-in-new-zealand-2021-22-1288977/new-zealand-vs-bangladesh-1st-test-1288979/live-cricket-score

Oh I thought you meant this series :-).

they talking ODI stats at the mo. even our low scores in Bang are higher than todays.

Why would you select Blundell at #5? Not the guy who was saving us down the order in the WC?

I think they got lucky the first two games with both Latham but mostly YOung saving the matches.

Did Conway, Williamson etc all retire ?

Edit: NZ couldnt finish 30 overs and rolled for circa 3rpo, Bang have nearly one the game at 7rpo. Tells me 3 things, firstly NZ didnt have enough quality batsmen who would know how to bat on this bounce, NZ didnt select enough regular bowlers who would know how to make the most of this seaming wicket, thirdly Bang one the toss and knew how to both Bat and Bowl on this hairy pitch.

TeaLeaf

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#3175033 23-Dec-2023 15:01

THaNK GOODNESS, Will ORourke gets a wicket off a nice line and length.

Im struggling to handle losing to Bang in NZ, not becoming the number one team in history for wins in a row at home, losing with such an idiotic team selection.

I could almost forget about all this.

But if we has lost by 10 wickets, it was the first time since 1987.

I still want to know where the WC team aside from Ferg has gone, to rest with their families?

I think we were far too arrogant with our team selection.

TeaLeaf

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#3175035 23-Dec-2023 15:10

Historic, BELTING NZ with 9 wickets to spare with 35 overs to spare. That I hope is the last time we try to with so many greats being all rested.

Blundell at 5, just shaking my head.

They did out bowl us regardless, very well played to BanG.

thermonuclear

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#3175062 23-Dec-2023 18:48

Went to the match today ... yeah.

Was a poor crowd, not sure if it was due to being two days before Christmas and people had better things to do, or due to an understrength squad being disrespectfully put up against Bangladesh and then charging top-dollar for the tickets as if the public of HB are going to be seeing NZ's best players.

Well done to Bangladesh.

TeaLeaf

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#3175781 27-Dec-2023 16:47

The t20 squads for NZ some how go from being terrible at T20i level until the T20i World Cup is on and we seem to get our squad back to our best players or close too. But we are developing some solid players too which hopefully means we can rebuild as the older guys start to retire.

But a couple of names Id like to see in the squad, Colin Munro, Dane Cleaver (what did he do wrong to get such little oppurtunity.....) and Josh Clarkson

Munro nearly hitting a quick century in his first match of the BBL and hes always there or there abouts.

Dane Cleaver because he combines classic technique with such a good eye it flies along the carpet, more like R Taylor than anybody else I can think of and hes a darn good WK.

Clarkson because t20 is more what hes better at than ODI.

Speaking of Cleaver and Clarkson are rescuing the Stags right now, managing to score runs fairly quick, but looking competent after being 3 down so early on.

On another note, NZ pace bowling future looks Rosey with a few Fast/Fast youngsters playing SS this year and of course Ben Sears is playing in the international tonight. I think our future looks more like true pace bowlers rather than using predominantly swing bowling focus. Give the guys from the circa 20yo guys who have just started at domestic pro level, but Id be thinking we might see another partnership form ie Southee and Boult but in pace focus.

Edit: Now is Bracewell and Cleaver. Bracewell 62 off 23 balls is making Cleaver 41 off 32 look a bit pedestrian hehe

Edit: Bracewell now 83 from 29, this is the best innings in any League Ive watched for a while. Sadly he wont get enough deliveries to beat the record centurey SR

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TeaLeaf

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#3175865 27-Dec-2023 19:10

Eeeek not sure I like the playing XI they picked though.

4 bowlers and Mitch Santner who imo is not a true all rounder but very good bowler at stopping flow of runs. Pace off and more batsmen is the proven way to go. Seifert better perform too.

Edit: NZ have lost within 3 balls, 3 down. New selector is not working at keeping Stead's head or Stead is being persuaded for these bizarre lightweight batting selections.

linw

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#3175868 27-Dec-2023 19:24

So bloody embarrassing.

tdgeek

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#3175871 27-Dec-2023 19:29

I dont want to be the wet blanket, but we are poor. On the positive side, build the next generation. Like some major Kiwi sports that are poor, the next win changes everything, it doesnt. Teams anywhere have highs and lows. Personally I get a tad annoyed when some people cannot accept that.

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#3175873 27-Dec-2023 19:34

TeaLeaf:

Eeeek not sure I like the playing XI they picked though.

Matey you always say that when we lose. If we win its the best team ever. Now Im not saying that YOU said that but thats what I see from Kiwi sport (Yes I am a Kiwi) The reason I love sport is thats its sport. Skill, decisions, play to win or play not to lose, risk and reward. Often its between the ears. If a player/team can average those metrics they nailed it.

How can Rory McIlroy look like he will win everything or be right in it every tournament? And he is well back or misses cuts? That is sport

TeaLeaf

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#3176123 29-Dec-2023 12:14

tdgeek:

Matey you always say that when we lose. If we win its the best team ever. Now Im not saying that YOU said that but thats what I see from Kiwi sport (Yes I am a Kiwi)

I said that before the game even started. Let me explain why I knew this was playing with fire.

NZ doesnt have a weak T20 side, they were world #3 prior to the last match.

The issue is they are resting many of the important players. But they are trialling "Older" players wo have been around a while, it makes no sense to select such a team outside Ben Sears, who I have to say stuck to the plan, top of off stump, I wish the wickets would break when med fast and fast fast bowlers hit them like the 80s :-).

It is all too much coincidence with the new selector starting with the ODI series and this T20 series. Its still up to Stead to shoot the new selectors selections down, he is the final say on selections. I just wonder if he went with the new selectors ideas (he is a lawyer, poor Stead's debating skills)

I have no issue if they were truely selecting a couple of youth players. But they could have played some of our better bastmen. Tested Sears, used Rachin, Phillips, Santner or Nesham, Doug Bracewell, Josh Clarkson as the only all rounders, then filled the team with our most in form batsmen (the process the other way around). It was just two batsman light. Should be 6 batsmen inc WK, 3-4 all rounders and a wicket taking pace bowler. But only test out a couple of spots for new players pushing up through domestic.

They are clearly resting some of our best player like Conway and Williamson for the up coming south af and aussie test tours of NZ.

Santner was brilliant with the bat, but not as captain. He didnt seem to grasp the obvious, that we had to bowl them out. Instead while he was bowling, he had the fielders pushed back which made singles too easy, we needed dots to force them into playing false strokes.

anyway, two players in the squad they havnt used ie Rachin.

But the problem is there will be no cricket today due to rain (neither in the domestic SS, depressing for this awesome auck squad who get another game rained out. Guptill looks in such good form, with the tiny boundaries at New Plymout he would likely have scored a big one.

So now NZ have to hope the next t20 vs bang is not rained out and NZ has to win it, or this will also be Bangers first series victory in NZ as well. Such is not picking your best players.

Dochart

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#3176124 29-Dec-2023 12:19

I would have liked if they selected some players who have had good form in the Super Smash such as Foxcroft, Cleaver, Doug Bracewell. I wonder why selecters didn’t select these players when Conway & Williamson aren’t playing. Doug Bracewell especially should have been in the side. His form in the Super Smash so far in the last couple of years has been amazing. He could easily take that No 6 or 7 batting position in the T20 side.

TeaLeaf

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#3176128 29-Dec-2023 12:34

Dochart: I wonder why selecters didn’t select these players when Conway & Williamson aren’t playing. Doug Bracewell especially should have been in the side. His form in the Super Smash so far in the last couple of years has been amazing. He could easily take that No 6 or 7 batting position in the T20 side.

Bingo. Exactly.

Id add Josh Clarkson to that, but Clarkson, Cleaver and Bracewell saved that last match. Doug Bracewell scored near 90no @ ~SR300.

The secret to t20 is a VERY deep batting lineup with players like Nesham, Clarkson, Bracewell being part of the bowling, then for spin Santner. GP, Rachin and one strike bowler like Sears.

Very high performing Batsman who can bowl pace off, form the chunk of bowling, that is where t20 landed. You need guys in the tail who really can bat but also with high SR ie Bracewell, Clarkson, Nesham.

We were too many bowlers who cant bat in that last match and not enough batsmen.

That is why I said I dont like the selections prior to the match. Whats the point of risking two Series (ODI and T20) testing out old has beens.... I said it in the ODI's, the same now, not enough respect for Bang in our selections.

TeaLeaf

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#3176162 29-Dec-2023 16:59

Gotta say the aussie boxing day test vs Pak has been super quality howling. Pak need another 199 and are 2 down but are looking pretty good. More interesting to watch aus for their first test tour for ages in NZ. avoid us whem we were super strong hehe.

I hope this resting of test players is going to be worth it come the test tours coming here.

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