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  #3176180 29-Dec-2023 18:35
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TeaLeaf:

 

I said that before the game even started. Let me explain why I knew this was playing with fire.

 

NZ doesnt have a weak T20 side, they were world #3 prior to the last match.

 

The issue is they are resting many of the important players. But they are trialling "Older" players wo have been around a while, it makes no sense to select such a team outside Ben Sears, who I have to say stuck to the plan, top of off stump, I wish the wickets would break when med fast and fast fast bowlers hit them like the 80s :-).

It is all too much coincidence with the new selector starting with the ODI series and this T20 series. Its still up to Stead to shoot the new selectors selections down, he is the final say on selections. I just wonder if he went with the new selectors ideas (he is a lawyer, poor Stead's debating skills)

 

I have no issue if they were truely selecting a couple of youth players. But they could have played some of our better bastmen. Tested Sears, used Rachin, Phillips, Santner or Nesham, Doug Bracewell, Josh Clarkson as the only all rounders, then filled the team with our most in form batsmen (the process the other way around). It was just two batsman light. Should be 6 batsmen inc WK, 3-4 all rounders and a wicket taking pace bowler. But only test out a couple of spots for new players pushing up through domestic.

They are clearly resting some of our best player like Conway and Williamson for the up coming south af and aussie test tours of NZ. 

 

Santner was brilliant with the bat, but not as captain. He didnt seem to grasp the obvious, that we had to bowl them out. Instead while he was bowling, he had the fielders pushed back which made singles too easy, we needed dots to force them into playing false strokes.

anyway, two players in the squad they havnt used ie Rachin. 

But the problem is there will be no cricket today due to rain (neither in the domestic SS, depressing for this awesome auck squad who get another game rained out. Guptill looks in such good form, with the tiny boundaries at New Plymout he would likely have scored a big one. 

So now NZ have to hope the next t20 vs bang is not rained out and NZ has to win it, or this will also be Bangers first series victory in NZ as well. Such is not picking your best players.

 

 

All I am saying is that they are more knowledgable than armchair commentators like you and me. The latest embarrassing loss, could have been with a dropped catch here and good throw there an easy win for us. But it wasnt, thats sport. Over time its follow the process the score will look after itself. But like rugby, cricket here is in the doldrums. As it has been elsewhere, thats sport. 




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  #3176204 29-Dec-2023 21:00
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Ok you stated your opinion. We got it the first time. Doesnt mean ppl have to agree with your outlook on NZ Cricket.

Obviously they had their reasons to pick that team. Doesnt mean people are not allowed to question it when it is FaR from our best team, which was on point in the WC, NZ Cricket is far from the real duldroms, you simply shouldnt be picking anything but the best and not under estimating Bang, That is what occurred, period.


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  #3176268 30-Dec-2023 07:39
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TeaLeaf:

 

Ok you stated your opinion. We got it the first time. Doesnt mean ppl have to agree with your outlook on NZ Cricket.

Obviously they had their reasons to pick that team. Doesnt mean people are not allowed to question it when it is FaR from our best team, which was on point in the WC, NZ Cricket is far from the real duldroms, you simply shouldnt be picking anything but the best and not under estimating Bang, That is what occurred, period.

 

 

Ok, you stated your opinion




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  #3176309 30-Dec-2023 11:44
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It’s the greatest era ever in the history of New Zealand cricket, the All Blacks lose a World Cup final by 1 point and they are both in the doldrums.

Nope, neither are at all.

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  #3176329 30-Dec-2023 13:05
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Handle9: It’s the greatest era ever in the history of New Zealand cricket, the All Blacks lose a World Cup final by 1 point and they are both in the doldrums.

Nope, neither are at all.

 

Bang on mate. 

We are developing players to a high level in our domestic comps. Players like Kane wont retire young, Conway and Mitchell didnt get started until late so likely wont either. So I think the younger players will have a period of confidence to go forward with. Who knows will come through the system in the next 5-8 years as well. 

 

I think Cricket being free on TVNZ is one of the best things to happen to it. I hope it stays that way to give the young people idols.

 

Well not much play as expected last night. Seifert looked pretty good with a 43 at SR186. Mitchell came in early with allen out on 2. Mitchell was defensive for the most part and so was Phillips when Seifert went, which I dont mind players getting the pace of a wicket when in early, provided they can just tick over the strike to the player who has had their sighters.  


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  #3176350 30-Dec-2023 16:25
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Doug Bracewell not only on fire with the bat but also with the ball targetting the stumps, 9 dots from 11 balls and one wicket. If he keeps this up it will be hard not to consider him for the NZ team.

Interesting to see how Nicholls goes in the domestic t20 too before the Tests start.

 

Live and FREE on TVNZ. :-)

 

Edit: well didnt last too long for Nicholls lol.

Cant Kingz need a big second half of innings but Bevan Small has destroyed the top order, 3 wickets from his two overs, with the likes of Tome Bruce, Will Young, D Bracewell, Dane Cleaver and Josh Clarkson in the Stags.

I think Central Dis might beat Northern who are overloaded with Blackcaps but not with the cricket coming up, or Auck, they will get Finn allen back soon and looked very good in the one game that hasnt been rained out for them.

 

Edit: Brilliant recovery from Mcconchie and Rippon, shows the benefit of batsmen who can bowl a bit, rather than our current Blackcaps squad, full of bowlers or bowlers who bat a bit.

 

You could pick 5 players from these two teams alone that would get Blackcaps trial squads up to avg'n closer to 200.


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  #3176364 30-Dec-2023 18:12
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Mcconchie unleashes the type of innings you need from mid-tail. 79 from 47, Rippon did similar but fed strike to Mcconchie.

 

Could be a tight game this one.


 
 
 

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  #3176373 30-Dec-2023 19:17
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Handle9: It’s the greatest era ever in the history of New Zealand cricket, the All Blacks lose a World Cup final by 1 point and they are both in the doldrums.

Nope, neither are at all.

 

Ok. If cricket and rugby are going fine or fine-ish, based on the long history of success, then ok....

 

Rugby has a legendary history. Cricket less so, but we have certainly made our mark on many many occasions .  

 

IMO we are well off, but thats just based on results...


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  #3176511 31-Dec-2023 13:45
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The commentary saying its a nice day, have they not looked at the rain radar? Worst thing is Bang could take up all the overs for a DLS game, so likely will finish a draw and their first Series win in NZ.

Still no Rachin... IMO Nesham at 6 is one or two positions too low, which shows the lack of batting in the top 6. 

 

although this is far from our best team and just trials, I still think there is no point trialling players who are not pushing it in domestic, like Ben Sears has, forced his way in.

 

Speaking of Sears nearly hitting 150kph, hes better around the 145kph with more control. I think hes trying too hard to win it all by himself which he does not need to do.

 

Bang 59-4, but can NZ bowl them out before the rain arrives with enough overs to score the runs.

 

Edit: The big blue blob on the rain radar may just go between Hamilton and Tauranga, only issue is its spreading in width the further down the path. I hope so because with Bang now 6 down for 78 off 15, the DLS will be in our favour even though batting second.

 

7 down.


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  #3176513 31-Dec-2023 14:40
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NZ have down super well. Sears was a huge success, hitting 150kph, with some more strength who knows.... But him and KJ in the mid 140s could become our strike bowling pair, with some more med-fast bowlers like Matt Fisher hopefully develop Fast bowling skills.

 

Well bowled NZ. Bang gone for 110.

 

But NZ better get out there and hit those runs as quick as possible, or get to DLS of 5 overs and lose no wickets to be ahead provided we have runs.

 

Edit: like the players have forgotten the rain, which when it comes will be game over. So I do think both teams need DLS Score now.

Edit: I reckon rain is only 30mins away, so of course they needed the DLS score. Losing wickets is the worst but still have to score.

 

Edit: I called Shorful all the way back in Bangladsh Test tour by NZ as the one who dominate us. Looks high quality swing

 

Well NZ only had to not lose wickets, NZ lost 3 and now 5, each wicket adds runs.


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  #3176555 31-Dec-2023 18:44
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The Black Caps managed to steer out of their own way long enough to secure a worryingly difficult win over Bangladesh on Sunday.

 

Seemingly set for a simple pursuit of 111 for victory after a comprehensive bowling effort at Bay Oval in Tauranga, the Black Caps almost crashed to a self-inflicted calamity.

 

 

 

I feel its time that some here recognise we are in a rebuilding phase, and not be armchair selectors. Happens in all sports and all athletes.  


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  #3177099 2-Jan-2024 13:38
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Missing the point.

 

It is not even about whether we are rebuilding or not (we are not), the issue is some of the selections of older players is not rebuilding its just selecting players to give others rest, had it been a trial team Id have been quite happy. It was disrespectful and we nearly paid the price for it, well we did if you count losing our first ODI and then T20 at home matches to Bang. 

also in T20 its known not to pick a test like bowling squad, you dont have to be a guru let alone ex player to see how disrespectfully short our batting strength was. NZ has plenty of its regular players it should have selected or turned to some of the already trialled and performing players. Ben Sears was the only real "trial" of player for "rebuilding"

 

Here is just a quick pick (I could pick many similar) off the top of the head for both a runs heavy and a few young or untrialled players for "rebuilding", 5 of them are future of NZ cricket. This team likely would have won all white ball matches. We are far from the Duldrums suggested.

Munro/Guptill/Finn allen
Conway
Williamson
Foxcroft
Rachin
Mitchell/D Bracewell 
Phillips
Cam Fletcher (WK)
Santner (C) - would like to see a bit more of captaincy from him.
Southee
Sears

3 Pace, 4 Spinners, 9 batsmen (pace off harder to time, pace on the surprise wicket ball ie Sears 120-135kph looking to frustrate opposition, 150kph top of off his wicket ball)

 

anyway, for those who do know what disrespect with under strength squads look like, I cant complain the Protea's are doing it to us on their tour here, while others are very unhappy about it all. Both Test Series count toward our home test matches for the WTC schedule 23/25. a real Saf side would be a worry given we face Aus at home not that long after South af leave.

 

Cricket: Blackcaps coach Gary Stead dismisses concerns over perceived disrespect from under-strength Proteas test squad | Newshub


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  #3177114 2-Jan-2024 14:21
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TeaLeaf:

 

Missing the point.

 

It is not even about whether we are rebuilding or not (we are not), the issue is some of the selections of older players is not rebuilding its just selecting players to give others rest, had it been a trial team Id have been quite happy. It was disrespectful and we nearly paid the price for it, well we did if you count losing our first ODI and then T20 at home matches to Bang. 

 

Well, the coaches know better than spectators


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  #3177122 2-Jan-2024 15:00
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tdgeek:

 

Well, the coaches know better than spectators

 

 

Mate, your never going to stop guys who have played any level from having justified picks with the selectors.

 

Keep in mind, these are the first games without Larsen, who while at times annoyed me, the reality is the Coach has ultimate selection, the selector is just there to help him see other possibilities. Id say its fair to expect some grinding periods.

 

Rachin was in the squad of 13, if they had played him, its one further down everbody after GP has to play giving hopefully  meaning an avg 30+ runs per game.

 

Is unimportant now, we move on to the Tests soon, Im just hoping all this player rest and Saf coming to us in a weak team so they say, hopefully we get some Test cricket form back and we can win a series vs aus.


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I would have like to have seen Rachin at No 3 in the T20 series against Bangladesh. I was expecting Rachin to at least play batting at No 3. Why move Mitchell to No 3 if his usual T20 batting position is 5 after Phillips. It would have been a good time to test Rachin at No 3 before the T20 World Cup. So far the openers haven’t been consistent. At the moment I think Siefert is ahead of Allen due to being a wicketkeeper so it will allow Conway to play more freely.

This is what I believe will be the playing 11 for the T20 World Cup depending on injuries
1. Conway
2. Siefert (wk)
3. Williamson (c)
4. G Phillips
5. Mitchell
6. Neesham
7. Santner
8. Southee
9. Milne/Ferguson
10. Sodhi
11. Boult

The extra players I reckon will be in the squad so far will be M Bracewell (injured at the moment), Allen, Rachin and maybe Foxcroft depending on his form in the Super Smash cause right now his form has not been good.

That South Africa series is going to be interesting. We have never won a test series against South Africa. The danger players I would be looking out for are Hamza (batter) and Olivier (bowler). Blackcaps should win against South Africa in the test series but our form has been patchy in recent times and I would not be surprised if we lose this series against SA. I would not take this SA side lightly.

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