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#3190229 4-Feb-2024 11:01

Dochart: Will Young waiting in the sidelines again. They did this to him at the ODI World Cup and now the test series against SA when he was clearly in form compared to some of the players in the team.

and then when he gets a chance and fails they will blame him, its truly idiotic.

they must be confident in KJ's fitness to pick him over Wagner who would have been fired up vs Sa, but KJ did go well in the XI match (Foxcroft missed out, I hope hes not our new "Will Young" for Stead)

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#3190238 4-Feb-2024 11:09

Conway misses a ball that had no movement. That should have been a defensive shot, not trying to bat across the line to the On side.....

and this is why we must select deep batting line ups, we are carrying 4 players out of form (well Nicholls is gone now).

NZ pre match got the pitch right though, it looks very green but there is no movement (which is why I dont rate Bay Oval for Tests).

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#3190239 4-Feb-2024 11:12

This is why I’m glad they selected GP and Santner today.

TeaLeaf

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#3190240 4-Feb-2024 11:15

Dochart: This is why I’m glad they selected GP and Santner today.

Yep. Rachin at 4 is too high imo though, he could start a mid order collapse. Conversely if he can come in after 30-40 overs and play his strokes like in the ODI WC, this could be the pitch to see him continue his career in Tests.

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#3190249 4-Feb-2024 11:50

TeaLeaf:
Dochart: This is why I’m glad they selected GP and Santner today.

Yep. Rachin at 4 is too high imo though, he could start a mid order collapse. Conversely if he can come in after 30-40 overs and play his strokes like in the ODI WC, this could be the pitch to see him continue his career in Tests.

I wouldn’t have mind if they put Rachin to opening as he has done it a few times in First Class and slot Will Young to No 4. It doesn’t make sense to leave Will Young out of the side where some players aren’t performing. Rather have a batsman who can score 30-40 runs consistently then someone who gets a big score then ends up getting out for low amount of runs each time.

This is what’s happening with Conway at the moment and to an extent Latham.

Conway consistency has not been the same since after the T20 World Cup in 2021. If I remember at that time he was averaging around 60-70 in all formats of the game but from 2023 if you take out that 100 against England in the ODI World Cup seems his average is around 20-30 from the looks of it even though his Test, ODI and T20i average is higher.

TeaLeaf

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#3190253 4-Feb-2024 11:58

Dochart:

It doesn’t make sense to leave Will Young out of the side where some players aren’t performing. Rather have a batsman who can score 30-40 runs consistently then someone who gets a big score then ends up getting out for low amount of runs each time.

Totally agree. Conway for me is in such bad form, Mitchell was/is, Nicholls clearly, Blundell (who like you are talking about lacks consistency, often out fiddling at the ball).

Conway is who Id be looking to get confidence back in Domestic. I hope he scores a ton in second innings though :-)

Santner was sub 20 bat avg not that long ago, now hes at 25, not just sats, you can see it in his technique. I dont think we needed Rachin, in favour of Will Young. makes no sense, outside being another spin option, have they forgotten D Mitchell bowls.....

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#3190254 4-Feb-2024 12:01

I think before Santner had to always rely on the bowlers but now with GP in the side I feel like Santner batting has improved and has a made a real difference to the side with the lower order batting.

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#3190257 4-Feb-2024 12:10

Dochart: I think before Santner had to always rely on the bowlers but now with GP in the side I feel like Santner batting has improved and has a made a real difference to the side with the lower order batting.

Yes they compliment each other in the lower mid order so well, with Blundell in there (even if Im not a fan), then to have KJ who "can" bat really is good.

Its almost they have done what Ive been suggesting for the last year or two with extending our Batting depth, but gone tooooo far with 3 spin all rounders. If Rachin was matured and avging 45+, I wouldnt be saying this. I guess its a question of how many chances you give Rachin, meanwhile destroying Will Young's deserved career. (not just Rachin, they have picked and swapped Young out of the side with many players, he should be a preference not an option)

TeaLeaf

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#3190259 4-Feb-2024 12:22

Perfect placement that delivery, was sliding across Latham just where it would have looked like lbw if it straightened. Great delivery. Have to have the stumps in play on this wicket.

Run rate was going down. Definitely Sa's first session, get Williamson and oh boy.

Here we go Rachin, do it !

edit: eeeek Rachin nearly ran Williamson out, phewwww.

Wow Paterson pitch map, hes got nearly every delivery in the perfect zone.

EEEEK Rachin 10 inches short of being out. That gave me a bit of adrenalin shot. Rachin just looks nervous between batting, but I think its because hes elevated and with the legend Williamson.

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#3190298 4-Feb-2024 14:17

Whose idea was it to have raucous music at cricket matches? !#!

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#3190414 4-Feb-2024 16:23

The Tangiwai Shield

Loosely translated, "Tangiwai" is "Tears of mourning"
Then there's the event in question, the worst rail disaster in NZ history: 151 people died and many others were deeply and irreparably traumatised.

IMO, it's a distinctly deeply odd and unsettling thing to commemorate.

I'm not a notably superstitious person, but if I was the captain of a team that won the Tangiwai Shield, I'd definitely delegate receiving and holding that trophy to another team member - probably one I didn't much like.

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#3190496 4-Feb-2024 19:14

Dochart: Will Young waiting in the sidelines again. They did this to him at the ODI World Cup and now the test series against SA when he was clearly in form compared to some of the players in the team.

Chasing form with selection is fools gold. It never works.

New Zealands success has been based on picking the best players and letting them work through ups and downs. It's the same formula followed by all successful international teams.

It's not even like Will Young has been in a rich vein of form. He's had a couple of scores and lots of single figure scores. He's proven to be a nice backup international player.

TeaLeaf

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#3190781 5-Feb-2024 09:47

My opinion is that our best players should be sourced from domestic cricket (when players go beyond just a slump in Tests or retire), not stalwarts that Stead has had blind faith in, especially when we have players in domestic with better FC averages, but more to the point if players have performed well for some time in domestic (couple yrs etc), then they should be taking the spots of those failing for the last couple of years at Test level.

Nicholls has looked good since back in Domestic, but I think he will struggle to make the team again.

Clearly Rachin is different, NZC must have decided he is special in youth rep cricket, because his FC avg is only 38, the same as Blundell, so stats wise, seems nothing spectacular, but stats are just a rough guide.

Conway is the one we need to get confidence back into though.

Congrats to Rachin, you could see how nervous he was, constantly trying to run Kane out haha, but then the legend, Williamson, took him by the scruff of the neck and coached him how to play Test cricket, its 5 days long, good defense, a pinch of luck and the ability to GaP the ball when a delivery is in your zone is what is needed.

'Pure batting bliss' - Rachin Ravindra lauds his 'unbelievable' idol Kane Williamson | ESPNcricinfo

Perhaps we should just drop Conway down to #4 and give Williamson a chance to coach Conways demons out.

This could be a huge score with us arguably batting to 9 (KJ is easily capable of becoming a 30+ batsman, but hes in the team for pace and bounce and that unsighted inswinging yorker)

TeaLeaf

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#3190850 5-Feb-2024 10:29

Talking stats, our top 3 averages in the last year

Williamson: 73
Mitchell: 46
Nicholls 32

Clearly we are not going to win too many if only two of our batsmen are above 40, although that doesnt include GP 45 and now Rachin who was avgn 13, now 38 and not out in this match.

Rachin reminds me a lot of Ross Taylor, he needs to feel bat on ball not ball on bat like Williamson (who can play late or early, which is what makes him one of the best ever)

all time batting avgs for current NZ players

New Zealand Test matches averages batting | ESPNcricinfo

Edit: Love Moreki for Sa. class act !

TeaLeaf

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#3190922 5-Feb-2024 11:09

Williamson looks out to me, to the most amazing drop catch by WK to the slip....

Edit: phew WK scooped it off the turf, NO

Edit: The brilliance of this side is the balance, you got slower scorers like Latham, Kane, Blundell etc with staggered agressive players like Conway, Rachin, Mitchell, GP etc.

NZ will need to put the foot down soon, need to be 500 by Tea to give plenty of time to bowl them out on a batting wicket. Thats where Mitchell and especially GP can progress the game in 20 overs. GP will regardless lol, or get out.

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