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#3194781 13-Feb-2024 17:08

thermonuclear:

Who's this granddad von Berg? Is that his age on the back of his jersey, or his team number?

Hehe, thats was a good one. Wags is same age but looks low 30 something.

Illustrious genuine all rounder career, below 30 with his right hand leg break (which is impressive compared to NZ spinners) and just on 30 with the bat.

Sa have so much depth its nuts, they just need time in the middle with 4-5 good bowlers in the opposition vs only a couple like in FC.

Edit: O'rourke losing his length here with the bumper.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

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#3194784 13-Feb-2024 17:17

Is that Rachin warming up again? If so. fair go, he created one wicket genuinely from his bowling. There is a lefty looking good out there, get the ball spinning away from him.

Edit: Yep, GP despite being the real spin all rounder cant get a bowl, has a better batting avg yet has to bat 3 below Rachin and makes Rachin look clumsy in the field in comparison. Yes, Im frustrated lol.

Edit: Wags has gorgeous in swing shape going on, if I were Southee, Id have him opening alongside him with the new ball, if it doesnt work, put Henry back on. I think sometimes Southee misses a trick or 4, just my amateur opinion.

Edit: Von Berg is athletic for his physique, that was a heck of a shot square, both feet off the ground.

Hes taken to Rachin a bit too. Things getting away from NZ a bit with the middle delivering for Sa.

Edit: Fantastic 50 for De Swardt, I said first Test him and Bedingham looked the players to watch for Sa.

thermonuclear

600 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3194800 13-Feb-2024 18:12

Oh dear ... Southee, that was a shocking review. They are saying on the radio that he's reviewed 40 decisions as captain, and lost 33 of them. Add one to each for that latest effort.

Should have opened with Henry and Wagner with the second new ball.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#3194801 13-Feb-2024 18:17

thermonuclear:

Oh dear ... Southee, that was a shocking review. They are saying on the radio that he's reviewed 40 decisions as captain, and lost 33 of them. Add one to each for that latest effort.

No, worse, he is 7 successful and now 42 turned down. That one just told me he doesnt have the nouse to be our Captain. Give it to Wagner, he couldnt be worse.

Good to hear Macca mention GP ignored yet again, Southee has no clue about his stats or that he is even in the team as the all rounder. Rachin is becoming our Nicholls of bowling.

Edit: If NZ do not get through 90 overs with 21 from a spinner is a disgrace, what if it does cost us a place in the WTC.

NZ seamers were very average after the first session and Rachin to be fair only got one wicket due to his bowling ability.

Edit: OM... now Rachin comes back on, to help get to 90 overs but is fluffing about. I feel like he is being pumped up well above his ability, plus we need him to score runs tomorrow.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

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#3194802 13-Feb-2024 18:37

Well played Sa, totally owned NZ in the 3rd session. Sa were 120/6.

NZ pace bowlers lacked impetus post first twenty overs, Rachin nabbed a good one, had one batsman throw his wicket away and the other just pure insanely good luck so much so nobody knew it was a wicket including umpires but 3rd ump interjection.

Dochart

804 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3194803 13-Feb-2024 18:42

We bowled 90 overs today and not once did they bowl GP. What is happening? This is so strange. This partnership is getting bigger and GP may have broken this partnership up. I hope we don’t see a repeat of the last test series against SA. Win the first test then ended up losing the second test when they batted first.

NZ bowled too defensively today. I would of given GP at least a few overs to break the partnership.

TeaLeaf

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#3194809 13-Feb-2024 19:03

Dochart:
NZ bowled too defensively today. I would of given GP at least a few overs to break the partnership.

Rachin well done, he got very lucky but he also put the ball consistently in the right spots to the Right Handers, but when the lefties come in GP should be an auto pick to bowl, with Wags at the other end. It was idiotic and yes I will be furious if we lose the test due to it.

Stephenson talking Rachin up in the commentary was doing my head in, his overly positive comments on everything is nauseating, be constructively critical when needed, to just ignore GP suggesting Rachin is the spinner in the team is like he has a script to only comment on what happens not what is or who is in the team, Elliott the same. Of the NZ commentary, Rigga and Macca are the only two I respect, ironically the only two who have mentioned GP not getting a bowl. I really like Kas from Sa though, class act professional commentator.

Keep in mind its highly likely we are going to have to bat last, unless we score big first innings.

Frustration.

However, the green grass will turn to paper which will hopefully negate their two very good spinners in our first innings, but how we prod at spin its a worry.

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thermonuclear

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Ultimate Geek

#3195026 14-Feb-2024 11:58

Conway ... he can't buy a run at the moment. They should have sent Young out now instead of Williamson with a view towards Australia and seeing if he's in form to replace one of the openers.

Dochart

804 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195027 14-Feb-2024 12:02

thermonuclear:
Conway ... he can't buy a run at the moment. They should have sent Young out now instead of Williamson with a view towards Australia and seeing if he's in form to replace one of the openers.

If Young performs this test against SA he will be locked in for the Aus Test series but deserves a few test series before seeing whether to drop him again or not. The Aus test series will be tricky so I’m not expecting Young and others to perform well but deserves at least the same amount of chances Nicholls had.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#3195028 14-Feb-2024 12:04

thermonuclear:

Conway ... he can't buy a run at the moment. They should have sent Young out now instead of Williamson with a view towards Australia and seeing if he's in form to replace one of the openers.

Yes, but its not the Blackcaps way unfortunately, nor is picking players on domestic form as handle explained. Conway got a jaffa, but it happens. Problem is he is also getting out to ordinary deliveries.

How unique, the guy on debut out Golden duck caught, catches the opposition opener for 0.

How good to see O'rourke perform so early. He will likely only get better. We have some low bowling avgs in the early careers of Orourke, Phillips, KJ (fastest NZr to 50 wickets and likely to be fastest to 100 as well)

edit: NZ have to see this hard seam off, its going all over the show and these are seamers bowling well above their FC avgs.

thermonuclear

600 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195040 14-Feb-2024 13:09

TeaLeaf:

Yes, but its not the Blackcaps way unfortunately, nor is picking players on domestic form as handle explained. Conway got a jaffa, but it happens. Problem is he is also getting out to ordinary deliveries.

I don't disagree with what has been previously said, at this level they all have the ability and it's often what's going on in the top two inches that determines how a player is performing. As the tired old cliche goes, form is temporary and class is permanent. But, like it or not, Conway has been in a form slump for the past twelve months.

When he's on his game, he's devastating and has been highly consistant. It's been that way since he entered NZ domestic cricket, just rock solid. His first series against the Poms at test level, he averaged 76 runs and change. Now, in the current World Test Championship cycle which started in 2023, he's had seven hits for 77 runs at an average of 11.

I don't want to drop him for the reasons stated above, but what are the chances he's going to snap out of this and take the Aussies apart at an average of 45 plus? On the evidence, I think it's unlikely. He's been scratchy whenever he's turned out in all formats, he's had time off to "refresh" as they like to say, came back in the Super Smash and still didn't do much with the bat. Aside from that big score against the Poms at the World Cup, he's been relatively poor by his own lofty standards.

He's been selected in the upcoming T20 series against the Aussies. He has three matches to try and rediscover his mojo but, if he continues to struggle in those, he should be stood down and Young given the opportunity in the test series against the Aussies.

vexxxboy

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#3195055 14-Feb-2024 13:49

Dochart: We bowled 90 overs today and not once did they bowl GP. What is happening? This is so strange. This partnership is getting bigger and GP may have broken this partnership up. I hope we don’t see a repeat of the last test series against SA. Win the first test then ended up losing the second test when they batted first.

NZ bowled too defensively today. I would of given GP at least a few overs to break the partnership.

Pretty sure GP hurt his knee and was off the field , he was limping quite badly earlier in the day

Common sense is not as common as you think.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

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#3195074 14-Feb-2024 14:49

vexxxboy:

Pretty sure GP hurt his knee and was off the field , he was limping quite badly earlier in the day

Oh no :-(

and I just came back on to say a good come back from NZ, but Latham needs to go on with it. We really need our openers in form, Kane despite being world #one again, he cant do it all, every innings.

Now lets see if Rachin can show some consistency through applying himself or another sub 20 score....

Its turning off the pitch not the paper grass, GP if hurt, could be a huge blow for NZ in the field, catching, batting and especially bowling in the second innings, I hope its not too serious...........

edit: this is the test series, right here. If these two knock off another ton and GP can bat, NZ will likely go in with a lead.

edit: there it is, now either Young or Rachin need a BIG ton.

edit: looking at that delivery, why the flap did GP not get a bowl day one, given he delivers the same delivery. Sa were 120-6!!!

interesting action Von Berg has.

its going to be a mind field second innings for NZ. ugggh.

thermonuclear

600 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195088 14-Feb-2024 15:44

Have faith, we're not doing too badly. Latham looked alright, Kane was Kane and nearly got another half century. Both Ravindra and Young are looking okay after being a bit scratchy when they came in. Moreki, Patterson and de Swardt had to do a mountain of work in the first test.

I still think NZ has an opportunity to build a significant first innings lead here.

Dochart

804 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195136 14-Feb-2024 15:47

thermonuclear:
Have faith, we're not doing too badly. Latham looked alright, Kane was Kane and nearly got another half century. Both Ravindra and Young are looking okay after being a bit scratchy when they came in. Moreki, Patterson and de Swardt had to do a mountain of work in the first test.

I still think NZ has an opportunity to build a significant first innings lead here.

Agree, need big daddy hundreds from Young and Ravindra. Try and get a lead of 250 and we should win this. I wouldn’t want to bat last on this pitch. Looks like a minefield.

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