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#2312768 8-Sep-2019 11:37

To my mind those who wear their religion on their sleeve are like nosy neighbours peering over the fence to see what their neighbours are up to and then complaining about it. Why don't you just stay in your own back yard and quit worrying about what others are doing? Unless they are burning rubbish and the smoke drifts into your yard, what they do is none of your business and none of your concern. I doubt very much that there are any gay fumes wafting your way.

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#2312772 8-Sep-2019 11:55

frankv:
PhantomNVD:

But if you believe Christ died for you, to forgive your sins, and that you need Him in your life to be saved from the consequences of your sin (separation from God, AKA Hell) then you must first accept that your sin is wrong to be able to need His forgiveness?

This is IMHO the heart of the problem with Christianity (and Islam, and I guess some other religions)... that you *can* be saved from the consequences of your sin. Some people take this as a license to commit sins against their fellow man, secure in the belief that *they* are "saved" by applying some rite or other. And some go further to and feel a *duty* to do bad things, particularly when incited by religious leaders who typically have much more earthly goals.

Not so... Romans 6:1 speaks directly agains this...

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6%3A1&version=NIV

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#2312776 8-Sep-2019 12:00

Rikkitic:

To my mind those who wear their religion on their sleeve are like nosy neighbours peering over the fence to see what their neighbours are up to and then complaining about it. Why don't you just stay in your own back yard and quit worrying about what others are doing? Unless they are burning rubbish and the smoke drifts into your yard, what they do is none of your business and none of your concern. I doubt very much that there are any gay fumes wafting your way.

Perhaps. But perhaps no different from advertising on TV, newspaper opinion articles, political propaganda, housewives egging each other to get the latest dress/bag/health food/kitchen/water ionizer, antivax friends having an argument with pro vax, string theory pro vs string theory skeptics ...

At all walks of life there will be opinions. Some will be more opinionated than others. That include pro afterlife vs afterlife skeptics. Really, no different from electric car vs cyclists wanting to build more roads vs cycle lanes. Pro Brexit vs stayers. Pro immigration vs anti. There will be some shoving down of throats. There will be love and hate. Some will choose former some will choose the latter - that's how it is, assuming there is freedom of speech and tolerance.

There are places without freedom of speech and tolerance where people are told what to do, how to behave, what to wear, what you can't talk about. Try living in Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, North Korea, ?Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore. No conflicts there I tell ya.

Conflicts are good (to a point, just like sugar and salt). It means there is freedom.

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#2312779 8-Sep-2019 12:07

Rikkitic:

To my mind those who wear their religion on their sleeve are like nosy neighbours peering over the fence to see what their neighbours are up to and then complaining about it.

Right... but I think religion gives them a justification (or even a requirement) to peer over the fence. And a perceived duty to complain.

I just watched (an admittedly conspiracy-theorist-targeted) documentary called "The Family". This centres on a RW Christian fundamentalist group behind US politics. This group's philosophy is based on Biblical King David's seducing of Bathsheba, a married woman, and engineering the death of her husband. Despite doing this, he was still subsequently a great king. Therefore God must have accepted/forgiven his bad behaviour. Therefore other bad behaviour is OK, if you are "chosen by God". And anyone in The Family is by definition chosen by God.

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#2313034 8-Sep-2019 15:35

So...who feels like having some shellfish and some bacon after getting a haircut and shave then donning your cotton blend socks. It might be a nice celebration after getting a tattoo. That’s if there’s nothing in the celebrity gossip magazines horoscopes saying it’s a bad time for planting you garden with more than just lettuces.

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#2313041 8-Sep-2019 15:50

Shadowfoot: So...who feels like having some shellfish and some bacon after getting a haircut and shave then donning your cotton blend socks. It might be a nice celebration after getting a tattoo. That’s if there’s nothing in the celebrity gossip magazines horoscopes saying it’s a bad time for planting you garden with more than just lettuces.

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#2313108 8-Sep-2019 16:15

Batman:

Perhaps. But perhaps no different from advertising on TV, newspaper opinion articles, political propaganda, housewives egging each other to get the latest dress/bag/health food/kitchen/water ionizer

Except egging housewives aren't killing themselves at a rate of five times more than others. Gay youth are.

I'm all for each and their own and the rights of free speech. However, when the likes of Folau publicly go after gay youth spouting nonsense and telling them they are deviant and will burn in hell, then we should go back twice as hard and publicly call him out for the idiot he is.

And if this ignorant gibberish negatively impact an employer's brand and costs them both reputation and money, and it is done willfully knowing this to be the case, then the employer should go hard back, which, and all power to them, they did. I only hope the courts uphold their right to do so.

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#2313113 8-Sep-2019 16:24

dafman:

Batman:

Perhaps. But perhaps no different from advertising on TV, newspaper opinion articles, political propaganda, housewives egging each other to get the latest dress/bag/health food/kitchen/water ionizer

Except egging housewives aren't killing themselves at a rate of five times more than others. Gay youth are.

I'm all for each and their own and the rights of free speech. However, when the likes of Folau publicly go after gay youth spouting nonsense and telling them they are deviant and will burn in hell, then we should go back twice as hard and publicly call him out for the idiot he is.

And if this ignorant gibberish negatively impact an employer's brand and costs them both reputation and money, and it is done willfully knowing this to be the case, then the employer should go hard back, which, and all power to them, they did. I only hope the courts uphold their right to do so.

Exactly right. As I said, he has been exacted consequence and dealt with, ie sacked. No wallaby jersey. No super rugby. No rugby world cup. Even if he is available the coach will not select him. Done.

And as Australians have the right to and many do, they go to court - so Israel (which literally means fighting with god) will have his day in court. People go to court for many reasons, and they have a fair country and the courts are not corrupt, so the courts will do what courts will have to do. Watch this space.

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#2313143 8-Sep-2019 18:07

Shadowfoot: So...who feels like having some shellfish and some bacon after getting a haircut and shave then donning your cotton blend socks. It might be a nice celebration after getting a tattoo. That’s if there’s nothing in the celebrity gossip magazines horoscopes saying it’s a bad time for planting you garden with more than just lettuces.

I suspect you aren't interested and just wanted to have a little amusement at the expense of others, but for what it's worth: the interpretation/purpose of Leviticus is far more nuanced than you imply. In particular: ritual state is not equivalent to morality.

PhantomNVD: From a Christian perspective, Homosexuality is sinful and Christians don’t believe God created someone with an intrinsic desire for sin (original sin is another whole topic!)

In my opinion it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. From where I sit it appears like Christians are divided on the subject.

A few videos I have found helpful for my own understanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLNt4RS7G10

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#2313144 8-Sep-2019 18:10

mm1352000:

Shadowfoot: So...who feels like having some shellfish and some bacon after getting a haircut and shave then donning your cotton blend socks. It might be a nice celebration after getting a tattoo. That’s if there’s nothing in the celebrity gossip magazines horoscopes saying it’s a bad time for planting you garden with more than just lettuces.

I suspect you aren't interested and just wanted to have a little amusement at the expense of others, but for what it's worth: the interpretation/purpose of Leviticus is far more nuanced than you imply. In particular: ritual state is not equivalent to morality.

PhantomNVD: From a Christian perspective, Homosexuality is sinful and Christians don’t believe God created someone with an intrinsic desire for sin (original sin is another whole topic!)

In my opinion it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. From where I sit it appears like Christians are divided on the subject.

A few videos I have found helpful for my own understanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLNt4RS7G10

If there is no intrinsic desire to sin there will be no children born. Psalm 51:5

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#2313148 8-Sep-2019 18:31

PhantomNVD: Christians don’t believe God created someone with an intrinsic desire for sin (original sin is another whole topic!)

Batman: If there is no intrinsic desire to sin there will be no children born. Psalm 51:5

I generally agree with the verse in Psalms. However, that doesn't contradict the point that PhantomNVD seemed to be trying to make. As I read it, the point was that God didn't originally create humans with an inherent desire to/for sin... but after The Fall everything changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

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#2313196 8-Sep-2019 19:40

mm1352000:

PhantomNVD: Christians don’t believe God created someone with an intrinsic desire for sin (original sin is another whole topic!)

Batman: If there is no intrinsic desire to sin there will be no children born. Psalm 51:5

I generally agree with the verse in Psalms. However, that doesn't contradict the point that PhantomNVD seemed to be trying to make. As I read it, the point was that God didn't originally create humans with an inherent desire to/for sin... but after The Fall everything changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

Original sin assumes Adam (literally human) was the first man and chawah (literally life) was the first woman, and the earth was 6000 years old, and there was no evolution. Now, the earth may well be 6,000 years old and there may well be no evolution. But the best available evidence against both.

I would like to think that the universe is a simulation. That way I don't have to wonder why I can't reach the center of the milky way why science can't explain gravity, the other 10 dimensions, ghosts, dejavu, miracles, reincarnation (you should read the stories - if true - about people who are most definitely lived a life from the past or the future), other fascinating metaphysical phenomenons.

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#2313709 9-Sep-2019 16:30

mm1352000:

Shadowfoot: So...who feels like having some shellfish and some bacon after getting a haircut and shave then donning your cotton blend socks. It might be a nice celebration after getting a tattoo. That’s if there’s nothing in the celebrity gossip magazines horoscopes saying it’s a bad time for planting you garden with more than just lettuces.

I suspect you aren't interested and just wanted to have a little amusement at the expense of others, but for what it's worth: the interpretation/purpose of Leviticus is far more nuanced than you imply. In particular: ritual state is not equivalent to morality.

PhantomNVD: From a Christian perspective, Homosexuality is sinful and Christians don’t believe God created someone with an intrinsic desire for sin (original sin is another whole topic!)

In my opinion it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. From where I sit it appears like Christians are divided on the subject.

A few videos I have found helpful for my own understanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLNt4RS7G10

Thanks for those links. To summarise the youtubes, you can be both a christian and gay, as long as you remain celibate for life. After all, if it was good enough for Jesus to be celibate, what higher calling?

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#2313787 9-Sep-2019 18:50

Wow this was an IF thread now it's another. I'd like to discuss dinosaurs, as relevant to The Bible

Note that I respect The Bible, and I respect religions. There is more than one religion so which one is correct?

I also respect people beliefs but I dont respect throwing those "correct" beliefs on others. There are multiple religions, and I guess those that are Atheist is a form of religion or non religion

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#2313832 9-Sep-2019 20:34

Just having a read though this thread, and I won't state my opinion as others have done so more eloquently than I ever could, but just to say I am very impressed with the respect shown to each other, the standard of debate and the willingness to listen, I have never seen this on such a topic as this in any other forum or facebook comment thread without it descending to chaos and name calling. You are all a credit to geekzone!

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