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#1558036 23-May-2016 15:54

This sort of thing probably has to go to court to setup a legal precedent. It was interesting to hear that promoter guy justifying the high pay per view price, by saying that people could watch it for free at a bar. Or if 10 people paid $5 per head, they could all watch from a TV. But if you watch at a bar, you have to pay for drinks etc, as they won't want you in the bar not buying anything. I am not sure how many people Sky allow to watch a single TV broadcast, before it is considered a commercial viewing, and require a commercial payment. If people are paying $5, the TV owner could be making a profit if a few more people turned up to watch it. But it does appear that this fight was more expensive to watch than previous ones. For this sort of thing I just go to my local cossie club to watch for free as I don't subscribe to sky, although I wasn't interested in watching this fight at all. The highlights on the news is all that is worth watching IMO.

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#1558046 23-May-2016 16:10

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This sort of thing probably has to go to court to setup a legal precedent. It was interesting to hear that promoter guy justifying the high pay per view price, by saying that people could watch it for free at a bar. Or if 10 people paid $5 per head, they could all watch from a TV. But if you watch at a bar, you have to pay for drinks etc, as they won't want you in the bar not buying anything. I am not sure how many people Sky allow to watch a single TV broadcast, before it is considered a commercial viewing, and require a commercial payment. If people are paying $5, the TV owner could be making a profit if a few more people turned up to watch it. But it does appear that this fight was more expensive to watch than previous ones. For this sort of thing I just go to my local cossie club to watch for free as I don't subscribe to sky, although I wasn't interested in watching this fight at all. The highlights on the news is all that is worth watching IMO.

Promoter was furious because he is trying to get rich quick. (Aren't we all, by the way!) He was swearing a lot, all sorts of name calling, and concludes by saying he lives in a West Auckland rental and his business partner flats with another person. If Parker becomes a world champ he will get is bling bling ... Parker better train harder! Won't win by ducking around!

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#1558108 23-May-2016 17:33

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mattwnz:

This sort of thing probably has to go to court to setup a legal precedent. It was interesting to hear that promoter guy justifying the high pay per view price, by saying that people could watch it for free at a bar. Or if 10 people paid $5 per head, they could all watch from a TV. But if you watch at a bar, you have to pay for drinks etc, as they won't want you in the bar not buying anything. I am not sure how many people Sky allow to watch a single TV broadcast, before it is considered a commercial viewing, and require a commercial payment. If people are paying $5, the TV owner could be making a profit if a few more people turned up to watch it. But it does appear that this fight was more expensive to watch than previous ones. For this sort of thing I just go to my local cossie club to watch for free as I don't subscribe to sky, although I wasn't interested in watching this fight at all. The highlights on the news is all that is worth watching IMO.

Promoter was furious because he is trying to get rich quick. (Aren't we all, by the way!) He was swearing a lot, all sorts of name calling, and concludes by saying he lives in a West Auckland rental and his business partner flats with another person. If Parker becomes a world champ he will get is bling bling ... Parker better train harder! Won't win by ducking around!

Perhaps the best comment I've heard so far was on National Radio a while ago IIRC from a legal expert, after mentioning the legalities, that copyright infringement isn't theft etc etc - the stuff we all know anyway, he commented that the promotors should be flayed for missing a marketing opportunity, and instead of swearing, threatening, and abusing tens of thousands of potential customers, he should have found a way to profit from the untapped demand that was clearly there.

OTOH if I ruled the world, there wouldn't have been a fight anyway. I'd afford professional boxers the same rights as other species of ape, and demand the SPCA activate their lobbying power as they would if people put chimpanzees in a ring, regardless of how keen they were to win the box of bananas.

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#1558132 23-May-2016 18:06

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Promoter was furious because he is trying to get rich quick. (Aren't we all, by the way!) He was swearing a lot, all sorts of name calling, and concludes by saying he lives in a West Auckland rental and his business partner flats with another person. If Parker becomes a world champ he will get is bling bling ... Parker better train harder! Won't win by ducking around!

I don't think they are doing themselves any favours at all by the way they are acting. Swearing like that is poor form. They have had the time to compose themselves, so should be swearing etc in public. The best comment I heard on Radio NZ by an expert, is that they should shut up. It seems this is more about promotion, and it seems to be 'soap boxing' more than anything, and a 'shock' tactic.

I think these people who didn't pay to watch a 'poor quality stream', are unlikely to have paid to watch it, as they would have first needed a Sky sports subscription, for $90 + per month, plus the $50 fee to watch it, plus the time to get sky installed to watch it in the first place. They would have likely instead just gone over to a mates place or the pub to watch, which wouldn't have made sky anymore IMO. But certainly the live streaming online shouldn't have occurred, and there should be ways to stop it. If these companies provide such a service, they should really have some form of protection. Youtube have system to prevent movies from being published, but it isn't so easy for live content. Maybe people who actually watched it could have flagged it as being wrong on the live stream, and if a certain percentage do this, then it gets deactivated. But there are so many of these live streaming services on on mobile devices, that it is only going to get worse.

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#1558141 23-May-2016 18:26

I wonder how much the$1 reserve trademe tickets sold for. Anyone knows? Maybe they didn't sell well so he still can't afford his bling bling

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#1558283 23-May-2016 22:02

another joke of a headline. "windfall" ... NOT. according to the article the producers need to fork out $2 million bucks. their trademe tickets sold below retail price overall. wonder if they broke even ...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/79939327/First-batch-of-Joseph-Parker-tickets-produce-30-000-windfall-for-Duco-Events

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#1558704 24-May-2016 14:51

I wonder how many subscribers did actually pay to watch it, as if they had provided that info, it would have helped to understand their attitude. I guess it is information that will be available to shareholders as it is a publicly traded company. IMO this is the sort of thing that should be included with a 90 dollar plus subscription. If this is such a historic moment in nz sport, only a time to proportion of people have access to watch it when it happens.

They however should never have compared it to stealing a car, as it not the same. Stealing a car deprives the victim of the car when it is stolen, which doesn't occur when a copy of a published work is viewed. It is probably copyright infringement, but that isn't the same. They also said Facebook have some responsibility, but I can't see them taking on a multi billion dollar company like Facebook.

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#1558917 24-May-2016 20:03

I just watched the fight on YouTube.

I wasn't that impressed by Parker. Two rounds where I thought Takam did more. The just me but thats a 4 point swing.He certainly was on the front foot more then he got rewarded for. Id not want Parker to face anyone slightly better then Takam in a hurry.

I commend his being able to take punches though, his accuracy in punching was quite a way off. He needs more muscle, and more conditioning.

Off course he learnt nothing from his career to date, so it was a good to hang on. But I feel Takam won on points.

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#1558923 24-May-2016 20:13

Well he's got a new fight organized. He better get better.

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#1558948 24-May-2016 20:54

joker97: Well he's got a new fight organized. He better get better.

Oh dear. "Haumono who, despite his age of 40 and a boxing career coming on the back of a lengthy rugby league career in the NRL,"

So he's fighting a 40yo league player. Takam is 35 but he's a young 35 according to the commentators, and he looked great physically.

Parker needs to add a bit of muscle, and get enough conditioning to go after the NRL guy for the full 3 minutes every round, as a conditioning test

He wont learn anything else

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#1558953 24-May-2016 21:01

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joker97: Well he's got a new fight organized. He better get better.

Oh dear. "Haumono who, despite his age of 40 and a boxing career coming on the back of a lengthy rugby league career in the NRL,"

So he's fighting a 40yo league player. Takam is 35 but he's a young 35 according to the commentators, and he looked great physically.

Parker needs to add a bit of muscle, and get enough conditioning to go after the NRL guy for the full 3 minutes every round, as a conditioning test

He wont learn anything else

he needs to train with strap on weights after running 5ks uphill

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#1559103 25-May-2016 07:33

On the illegal streaming I think that it would be hard pressed to say that an un-advertised stream cost Sky any revenue.

For that to happen people would have had to know quite a bit further in advance to decide not to book the PPV.

What the guy did is clearly not right, and there does need to be punitive measures taken, he broke the law and did something so brazenly wrong in the public eye, there needs to be punishment especially when it is not so easy to conduct illegal activities online.

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#1559160 25-May-2016 09:15

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joker97: I'm just asking to gauge whether Parker is in anywhere the same league as the best on the world or if he's just going to fade after five rounds when he meets those guys

Parker is definitely in same league but has a lot of learning to go. This was an elimination fight with the winner getting a mandatory shot at the world title. That in itself says something about the league he's stepped up to. Takam is one of the best and most durable heavyweight boxers in the world at the moment. He's someone that a few other heavyweights have actively avoided fighting... The fact that Parker was able to gain and retain a points advantage, while weathering what Takam was able to dish out is a huge feat.

joker97: I have to say i thought Takam didn't really try when Parker was wasted. Did he throw the match or was he also spent. He didn't look spent. Whereas Parker looked like he was struggling to breathe from round 5 onwards.

Takam was tired but his conditioning allowed him to conceal it more effectively. Trying to introduce doubt into your opponents mind through looking as fresh as possible is part of the psychological aspect to boxing. I did some boxing when I was younger and can tell you, it's *extremely* tiring. Takam was definitely trying, he certainly didn't throw the match, but Parker was able to hang on and prove he's able to take some heavy punishment. There were a few points where I thought he wouldn't make it though.

Prior to this bout Tajam had a 25-0 professional record, 100% won by knockout. So to make it to the end of 12 rounds is a feat in itself.

I thought Takam had more gas in the tank and was holding back, so I appreciate your inside view, that he was putting up appearances for psychological advantage.

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