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#3189547 2-Feb-2024 08:47

Jaxson: You guys heard the news about Hamilton moving to Ferrari in 2025?!

Would leave Mercedes needing a driver and Sainz needing a seat.

Suggests this year's Mercedes is a dog, or the Hamilton has decided to jack it in after a couple more years and wants to go out wearing red.

Possibly both.

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#3189552 2-Feb-2024 08:59

Jaxson: You guys heard the news about Hamilton moving to Ferrari in 2025?!

Would leave Mercedes needing a driver and Sainz needing a seat.

Ferrari is trending up, Mercedes is trending up down or sideways, makes sense

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#3189593 2-Feb-2024 10:53

LittleGreyCat:

Jaxson: You guys heard the news about Hamilton moving to Ferrari in 2025?!

Suggests this year's Mercedes is a dog, or the Hamilton has decided to jack it in after a couple more years and wants to go out wearing red.

Possibly both.

Based on https://racingnews365.com/key-factor-behind-hamiltons-mercedes-f1-exit-revealed it seems a couple of key personnel had moved from Merc to Ferrari, and these were people that Lewis agreed with in regards to the direction that car needed to take. Frames it more as a "Lewis following them?" situation.

I don't believe Merc have done shakedowns with the new car yet, and with the time it'd take to negotiate a move like this, I think it's likely that Lewis is just trying to look at what teams (and who has a say there) are more likely to design a car that suits him.

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#3189643 2-Feb-2024 13:56

Romantically there is always a draw to race for Ferrari given the legacy too. Will be super weird seeing him in Red though!

Merc has given Hamilton both the highs and the lows (and associated back problems).

Big story is really how audi will go over the coming years. They come in from 2026 from memory and will take a while to come up to speed.

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#3189647 2-Feb-2024 14:07

I don't see the dazzle of being in a Ferrari as anything to do with this change, not even a little bit. He wants to move to a winning car IMO. That's it

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#3189693 2-Feb-2024 16:26

Wow, huge news. Big roll of the dice for Hamilton, can't be viewed as anything other than this IMHO. Beat the 2023 Ferrari, and their competent drivers, in a dog of a Mercedes last year in both championships. The Silver Arrows team surely won't have a third poor season?

Last Ferrari Drivers Champion in 2007, last Constructors Championship in 2008, are they really that good? Then there's Ferrari's race weekend abilities. Admittedly they appear to have improved this somewhat under Vasseur's reign, but it could have hardly got worse than in 2022.

Is the perfectionist Hamilton going to be able to live with the Ferrari way of doing things, does he think he's going to be able to change the culture for the better? Is the 2025 Ferrari going to be a slick car and slick operation, and more so than the Mercedes and/or Red Bull and/or McLaren? Hamilton must have a great crystal ball.

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#3189699 2-Feb-2024 17:04

thermonuclear:

Wow, huge news. Big roll of the dice for Hamilton, can't be viewed as anything other than this IMHO. Beat the 2023 Ferrari, and their competent drivers, in a dog of a Mercedes last year in both championships. The Silver Arrows team surely won't have a third poor season?

Last Ferrari Drivers Champion in 2007, last Constructors Championship in 2008, are they really that good? Then there's Ferrari's race weekend abilities. Admittedly they appear to have improved this somewhat under Vasseur's reign, but it could have hardly got worse than in 2022.

Is the perfectionist Hamilton going to be able to live with the Ferrari way of doing things, does he think he's going to be able to change the culture for the better? Is the 2025 Ferrari going to be a slick car and slick operation, and more so than the Mercedes and/or Red Bull and/or McLaren? Hamilton must have a great crystal ball.

IMO Ferrari is improving. Its fair to say that in quali and the race the two drivers haven't exactly been stellar, but Hamilton generally would be weekend after weekend

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#3189704 2-Feb-2024 18:18

The Ferarri should have placed higher during the last season, it was clearly the 2nd best car but incredibly poor strategy and some dodgy driving relegated it down the list. Unless Merc has drastically improved this coming season I would expect the order to be RBR, Ferarri/McLaren, Mercedes. With the new regs in 2026 this allows Lewis to help in the development of the car to meet the new regs similar to his questioned leap in 2013.

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#3189722 2-Feb-2024 20:20

An individual query from a fellow poster

What are the best options to watch F1?

AFAIK its Sky who we all love and cherish (:-)) there is F1TV sub, and Kayo?

Pros and cons for each?

On behalf

Im thinking ease of coverage. If its live can you watch from the start during a FP or quali or race?

If you watch later, is the session up soon-ish after?

Commentary, can you choose commentators? I like the UK Sky team, Ive seen others loathe Jacques, and possibly other commentator options?

Me, I like the NZ Sky coverage as I can record it, and admittedly Im used to it, but keen to hear from the other F1 fans here for another poster

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#3189726 2-Feb-2024 20:29

Benoire:

The Ferarri should have placed higher during the last season, it was clearly the 2nd best car but incredibly poor strategy and some dodgy driving relegated it down the list. Unless Merc has drastically improved this coming season I would expect the order to be RBR, Ferarri/McLaren, Mercedes. With the new regs in 2026 this allows Lewis to help in the development of the car to meet the new regs similar to his questioned leap in 2013.

I agree apart from "allows Lewis to help in the development of the car" yes he is very good but he is a driver. He wants to grow his already excellent legacy, its not about the coin or Ferrari. I actually would have thought that McLaren would be the best option but given that Lando and the OZ guy are very very good, its a step backward to get Lewis over and above the McLaren future. I could see Lewis who I read has a good relationship with Vasseur pushing that forward. Although Ferrari is VERY top management focused, as compared to a team effort, the team being the owner, Team Principal, upper strategy, designers, drivers, engineers, and the other 400 or so staff. Perhaps Ferrari's fail has been the team effort wasnt allowed to grow as it was CEO based?

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#3189727 2-Feb-2024 20:30

Personal opinion: F1TV unless you have another reason to have Sky+Sky Sport or Sky Sport Now (NZ's Kayo) and don't want to pay extra for F1TV.

If using the F1TV website or app normally you get the "watch from start" prompt, and with the Pro the session replays are up within I guess about 20 minutes. (F1TV Access = no live, and I think 2-7 day delay on replays)

Main pro of F1TV I can think of, is driver cams, and until they bring some sort of enforcement against it's existence, Multiviewer (PC/Mac/etc only for hopefully obvious reasons). During races I normally have Live Timing + Race + 1-3 driver cams + live track map, on my monitors, all synced. Live timing includes all the race control/etc messages so often you figure out what is causing flags before the commentators do, or even pick up things that the commentators completely miss.

Main downside of F1TV I can think of, is that their streaming platform isn't always the best. Supplementary content usually starts off at really low quality (instead of starting off at sane qualities), replays can be a bit laggy (I guess expired off local caches or something?), and the iOS app isn't the best and often downgrades quality for no perceivable reason (a common complaint from what I can tell, otherwise I'd just blame my home connection).

Edits for grammar, but also: Downside to Multiviewer, it doesn't handle 'watch from start' during a live race very well. But that's not a fault of F1TV per se. Just something to be aware of generally.

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#3189736 2-Feb-2024 20:55

I have both Sky Sports Now and F1 TV. I use Sky Sports for the build up and practice stuff for the UK commentary and then switch to F1TV for the actual race as the quality is far superior to Sky Sports Now (with UK commentary). If I had physical Sky then I would use that but I kicked that addiction a few years ago!

If I had to choose however, I would choose F1TV as its a better picture and more consistent frame rate.

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#3194552 13-Feb-2024 10:29

Still waiting for this pre-season special they did last year.

On another note, Hamilton's 2025 move has triggered a whole bunch of predictions as to who is heading where and musical chairs has already started. Really hope Lawson finds a seat.

Sounds like Horner is digging his heals in and won't resign. He obviously thinks he hasn't done anything wrong rightly or wrongly, and i also read that if he goes then Newey is off too.

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#3194654 13-Feb-2024 13:02

langi27:

Still waiting for this pre-season special they did last year.

I honestly think the regular price is fair and good value.

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