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#871409 3-Aug-2013 21:42

the brumbies were first robbed by the ref and then they handed it to chiefs on a platter ... but ... what matters is ... Chiefs won fair and square and they won

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#880658 18-Aug-2013 18:17

Well done to the AB's but some frustrating mistakes for sure.

The new Scrum rules are a DISASTER. Feeding straight is just ridiculous the whole thing should be re-examined and the old rules reinstated immediately.

Nice to see that Ewan McKenzie didn't have a silver bullet though he is smarter than I gave him credit for, having not played Brain Fade Cooper until much later in the game (And what a negative effect he had). The booing is freaking awful, it makes me ill. I am ashamed to be Kiwi every time they boo him. He is a pillock but it's just completely unnecessary.

I would expect a similar result next week. Maybe even better by the AB's.

Ritchie McCaw is a God! He looked a little rough earlier in the game, but was there when it counted and played pretty well for the vast majority of his 70 minutes.

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#884367 25-Aug-2013 22:59

ok crucify me but ... i'm an analyser -

did I just see the All Blacks doing what they do best - intimidate the opponents by capitalising on poor refereeing to commit professional fouls at every opportunity?

I felt a little embarrassed!

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#884368 25-Aug-2013 23:01

(yes they would have won anyway, but why embarrass me by thugging around?)

(or do you believe that every successful team gets scrutinised more for their cheating that every team does anyway, which goes unnoticed because they don't win?)

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#884687 26-Aug-2013 13:55

Yes - the All Blacks push the limits, as you have to to be successful.

However, if you watch the game again and watch the base of almost every ruck and maul you wll see the Aussies killing off the play, slowing down the ball and just getting in the way and being a general nuisance as regularly (if not more so) than the AB's.

Ewen McKenzie should be a bit careful unless some scrutiny goes on his teams strategy as well.

All teams do it - some better than others.

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#884688 26-Aug-2013 13:56

Yeah. Agreed.

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#884694 26-Aug-2013 14:08

I saw a comment somewhere this morning that said, the only reason it looks like the All Blacks are cheating more/worse is because other teams don't manage to score against us.

The opposition are doing exactly the same things we are doing (killing the ball in rucks, lying all over it, not rolling away, playing offside, etc etc) and yet when we are on attack and creating chances, we score. It's really as simple as that. More often than not when we make a half break we'll eventually cross the line. The wallabies made several breaks and had they've made better decisions they would've (and should've) scored.

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#884700 26-Aug-2013 14:11

Kingy: I saw a comment somewhere this morning that said, the only reason it looks like the All Blacks are cheating more/worse is because other teams don't manage to score against us.

The opposition are doing exactly the same things we are doing (killing the ball in rucks, lying all over it, not rolling away, playing offside, etc etc) and yet when we are on attack and creating chances, we score. It's really as simple as that. More often than not when we make a half break we'll eventually cross the line. The wallabies made several breaks and had they've made better decisions they would've (and should've) scored.

If it wasn't for the intercept which could have happened to anyone (though I wish the AB's and Crusaders would stop throwing these intercept able passes, the result on Saturday night would have been considerably more woeful, balanced likely by the disallowed confirmation of the try to the Wallabies.

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#884705 26-Aug-2013 14:22

Lol if you don't want any risk of an intercept try don't involve the back line!

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#884729 26-Aug-2013 14:55

One thing they NEED to fix URGENTLY is continuing play when a player is out cold. It made me sick that the game appears more important than the player, and it's a relatively recent thing.

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#885114 27-Aug-2013 08:45

It's not a new thing, players have been left lying prone for as long as I can remember. Usually if the ref notices or the player is in a position where the play is going to end up he'll blow a halt to the game.

If the player is out the way enough then the team doctors will run on to the field regardless (as you would've seen on Saturday night).

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#885131 27-Aug-2013 09:40

networkn: One thing they NEED to fix URGENTLY is continuing play when a player is out cold. It made me sick that the game appears more important than the player, and it's a relatively recent thing.

yes, but often they don't notice.

furthermore, if they stop play immediately, regardless of the current situation, then it will give players incentives to pretend to be injured when the other team is at an advantage, just so play will be stopped. and then it will end up like soccer with people flailing about all over the place with pretend injuries, which would be an absolute tragedy.

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#885167 27-Aug-2013 10:34

Kingy: It's not a new thing, players have been left lying prone for as long as I can remember. Usually if the ref notices or the player is in a position where the play is going to end up he'll blow a halt to the game.

If the player is out the way enough then the team doctors will run on to the field regardless (as you would've seen on Saturday night).

This and last super rubgy season they were a lot better, there were a number of times where players were knocked out and kiwi players raced over and put them in the recovery position, during those times I have been deeply proud to be a Kiwi. It seems there was a point where something was
said to the refs about it, because they don't stop play as readily. No way did Jaco not see that player down.

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#885168 27-Aug-2013 10:34

NonprayingMantis:
networkn: One thing they NEED to fix URGENTLY is continuing play when a player is out cold. It made me sick that the game appears more important than the player, and it's a relatively recent thing.

yes, but often they don't notice.

furthermore, if they stop play immediately, regardless of the current situation, then it will give players incentives to pretend to be injured when the other team is at an advantage, just so play will be stopped. and then it will end up like soccer with people flailing about all over the place with pretend injuries, which would be an absolute tragedy.

Rugby isn't typically full of those type of people anyways. There aren't that many posers, and there is a difference between injured and out cold.

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#895914 15-Sep-2013 15:35

Wow what a game between NZ and SA! I felt sick when DC went down, and it looked terrible at first glance but upon review it looked perhaps marginally high. I didn't think it deserved a card, but the second instance was yellow, and he really should have been a little more careful. The TMO did hand it back for the ref to make the final decision.

I agree with Gregor Paul that it wouldn't have significantly changed the outcome, we played better rugby and pretty much beat them everywhere, including a masterful effort by our forwards. I don't really rate Beauden Barrett, but boy did he stand up in DC's place, what a great display he put on. Sam Cane also was awesome.

It's amazing that we can beat the Boks with DC, ID, and RM missing from our line up.

AU Rugby should be REALLY worried, they barely won at home against Argentina!

See DC is out till November !! Great news is that Tom Taylor will be the new backup, we really need his boot.

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