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#2998192 18-Nov-2022 18:58

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He's also not unreasonably slow, but they seem to have stopped broadcasting his radios.

He is quick, but erratic and prone to crashes. But so was Seb, Max, etc etc.

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#2998195 18-Nov-2022 19:12

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A Comment Following The Brazil GP

The Team has released the following comment.

Written by Oracle Red Bull Racing
Published on 18.11.2022 · 0:00 UTC+13

As a team we made some mistakes in Brazil. We had not envisaged the situation that unfolded on the last lap and we had not agreed a strategy for such a scenario before the race. Regretfully, Max was only informed at the final corner of the request to give up position without all the necessary information being relayed. This put Max, who has always been an open and fair team player, in a compromising situation with little time to react which was not our intention. Following the race Max spoke openly and honestly, allowing for both drivers to resolve any outstanding issues or concerns. The Team accept Max's reasoning, the conversation was a personal matter which will remain private between the team and no further comment will be made.

The events that followed from a social media point of view are completely unacceptable. The abusive online behaviour towards Max, Checo, the Team and their respective families is shocking and saddening and unfortunately is something that we as a sport are having to address with depressing regularity. There is no place for it in racing or society as a whole and we need to do and be better. At the end of the day this is a sport, we are here to race. Death threats, hate mail, vitriol towards extended family members is deplorable. We value inclusion and want a safe space for everyone to work in and enjoy our sport. The abuse needs to stop.

I agree with that, solely due to that the issue was a previous race where Max was affected "you know the reason" However, the loss to him and the gain to Sergio, he should have complied. BUT, if you are soft and easy, you dont succeed. Look at the other legends of the sport, or most sports. Sergio has rarely been a wingman, that possibly adds to it

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#2998254 18-Nov-2022 22:09

I dunno, as solely an F1 driver I'm neither particularly for Max or against Max. I can appreciate that he's a hugely talented race car driver, but I've seen quite a few of those in my time following F1. He's not the first to be really good and he won't be the last. Even in the current crop, my feeling is that Lewis, George, Charles and Lando would all be more than a handful for Max if they were in the second Red Bull seat.

Max also has to appreciate that he has a pretty exceptional team around him currently. Newey is currently without peer in terms of car design, the Honda power unit is outstanding, those two elements have been integrated into a formidable machine. Then you have the track team who are as slick and faultless as they come at race weekends generally.

I've read the suggestion on F1 news sites that this might stem from the alleged crash by Perez in qually at Monaco. Who would actually know though because, despite the RBR statement telling us he's an open and fair team player, Max refuses to state his grievance and quash the rumours. This after Max behaved like a pork chop towards Sky F1 UK recently because Ted Kravitz said some bad words about him, and got the rest of RBR to fall into line behind him.

Okay, so Max wanted to keep it quiet and instead chose to have an open and honest conversation after the race with Checo, Horner and management presumably. All I can think about that is, if this IS related to some incident at Monaco and Max is an open and honest team player as claimed, why has this been stewed on by Max for six months and remained unresolved until last week? Until such time as he's had an opportunity to stick it to Checo finally and taken the opportunity to do so. It's childish and petty, regardless of whether he's had a legitimate beef or not.

So, like I said, I dunno. He wants to come across as a driven hardarse, singularly motivated to win at all costs like the long line of champions before him. But, he throws his toys the moment a little heat comes on him, can't see the smart play, and can't or won't play the long game. I'm neither for him or against him, not that he will care, but I can't see him getting near Lewis in terms of titles.

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#2998264 19-Nov-2022 00:12

Well that was alright for Lawson I reckon. He wasn't allowed to open the DRS on push laps on the softs, which must have cost him some lap time. Nevertheless, he set the 5th fastest time and the top rookie on display. Check out the list, not a shabby group of drivers to sit in behind

1st Hamilton
2nd Russell
3rd Leclerc
4th Perez
5th Lawson

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#2998267 19-Nov-2022 00:54

Good FP1 by Lawson, fast on the hard and soft

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#2998268 19-Nov-2022 00:56

re: Brazil: Did Perez crash purposely? Monaco Telemetry Analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFImqBddhfs

Either way dumb way to handle it by Max

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#2998330 19-Nov-2022 11:37

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I dunno, as solely an F1 driver I'm neither particularly for Max or against Max. I can appreciate that he's a hugely talented race car driver, but I've seen quite a few of those in my time following F1. He's not the first to be really good and he won't be the last. Even in the current crop, my feeling is that Lewis, George, Charles and Lando would all be more than a handful for Max if they were in the second Red Bull seat.

Max also has to appreciate that he has a pretty exceptional team around him currently. Newey is currently without peer in terms of car design, the Honda power unit is outstanding, those two elements have been integrated into a formidable machine. Then you have the track team who are as slick and faultless as they come at race weekends generally.

I've read the suggestion on F1 news sites that this might stem from the alleged crash by Perez in qually at Monaco. Who would actually know though because, despite the RBR statement telling us he's an open and fair team player, Max refuses to state his grievance and quash the rumours. This after Max behaved like a pork chop towards Sky F1 UK recently because Ted Kravitz said some bad words about him, and got the rest of RBR to fall into line behind him.

Okay, so Max wanted to keep it quiet and instead chose to have an open and honest conversation after the race with Checo, Horner and management presumably. All I can think about that is, if this IS related to some incident at Monaco and Max is an open and honest team player as claimed, why has this been stewed on by Max for six months and remained unresolved until last week? Until such time as he's had an opportunity to stick it to Checo finally and taken the opportunity to do so. It's childish and petty, regardless of whether he's had a legitimate beef or not.

So, like I said, I dunno. He wants to come across as a driven hardarse, singularly motivated to win at all costs like the long line of champions before him. But, he throws his toys the moment a little heat comes on him, can't see the smart play, and can't or won't play the long game. I'm neither for him or against him, not that he will care, but I can't see him getting near Lewis in terms of titles.

The presser he was on during FP coverage showed that the Monaco issue is the issue. Given that its not admitted that Sergio intentionally crashed to secure himself, its quite clear that was the case. Can't really be open with that as its unresolved re Sergio's intentions. End of the day RBR apologised to Max, as they knew his position and didnt communicate anything till that lap. I doubt Max has been stewing on it, but its been tucked away, the same for Sergio who knows that his indiscretion is a black mark. Notably such intentional indiscretions are not uncommon at Monaco. Rosberg "understeering" into the wall to suspend quail and took away Lewis's opportunity to get pole, which is obviously 95% job done at Monaco. MSC did the same at the super slow corner into main straight, quali stopped, MSC on pole, job done. A controversial issue between Seb and Webber, "we raced, I won"

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#2998333 19-Nov-2022 11:40

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Well that was alright for Lawson I reckon. He wasn't allowed to open the DRS on push laps on the softs, which must have cost him some lap time. Nevertheless, he set the 5th fastest time and the top rookie on display. Check out the list, not a shabby group of drivers to sit in behind

1st Hamilton
2nd Russell
3rd Leclerc
4th Perez
5th Lawson

And tops when on hards. Shows he could be reserve driver right now, but his Japan Super Series might or had ruled that out, let alone his inexperience.

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#2998453 19-Nov-2022 14:48

I thought Marko had said Liam will be reserve for RBR next year alongside his programme in Super Formula. Whether they would actually let him take the seat if Max or Checo couldn't compete is another matter I guess, especially with the rumours persisting around Danny Ric having a role there in 2023.

Still, I think Liam did really well all things considered. I see Max praised his efforts in comments overnight. To set the 5th best time in practice when you consider the combined F1 experience the four guys in front of him have, that's impressive.

I switched over to Sky UK's coverage after the F1TV feed ended and Brundle and Button mentioned Liam briefly. I think it was Button who said he thought the Kiwi did very well because of the twitchy set-up Max likes on his car. He certainly looked clean from the in-car footage I watched, much smoother than he was in Tsunoda's AT a few weeks back.

At one point he was behind Russell for a couple of laps and looked like he was easily able to keep pace with the Brit, asking on the radio if he should slow down and create a gap so he could fully push I assume.

With how the cards have fallen with AT, I just hope he doesn't live to regret the poor season he's had with Carlin this year. At least he will have another opportunity to show what he can do at end of season testing next week.

Sounds like he will be in the Red Bull for that, and it also sounds like he will have some interesting company including Piastri in the McLaren and deVries in the AT. I hope he runs well against deVries and that Tost and Marko take notice if he does.

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#2998491 19-Nov-2022 17:35

Short interview with Liam Lawson on F1TV after his FP1 session at Abu Dhabi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCzheC2oz9o

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#2998776 20-Nov-2022 13:16

Did ok here to impress:

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#2998785 20-Nov-2022 13:46

Lawson is having a great weekend so far, for sure. Just a shame he hasn't been able to do better in the feature races with all the big points being there. Four points behind Sargeant in 4th in the drivers championship now. Would really like to see him get past the American in 3rd for the bragging rights of beating his teammate and future F1 driver.

It's pretty tight between 3rd and 7th in the championship. This last race is going to decide when they all end up. Daruvala and Fittipaldi definitely did Lawson a favour by taking each other out and scoring zero points. If Lawson could secure 3rd tonight, people might look back in ten years time and think he had a pretty decent season. Won't tell the real story though.

Feature race starts at 10pm tonight.

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#2998876 20-Nov-2022 20:08

Great run, stayed close, managed tyres, got the pass, eased away. Good for the CV, and at the exact right time

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#2999192 21-Nov-2022 14:42

F1 season done and dusted for another year. Predictable result for Verstappen again, took off at Turn 1 and basically driving his own race for the rest of the night. Not securing 2nd in the Driver's Championship about sums up Checo's season.

Feel bad for RBR that they didn't get the trifecta. I'm sure they would have enjoyed being able to say to the Paddock, you couldn't beat our top car/driver and you couldn't beat our second-best car/driver either.

Feel worse for Ferrari, specifically their drivers. The people running strategy there are woeful, need a proper clean-out, and the guy on LeClerc's radio who sounds like everybody's absent-minded Italian granddad ... he's no Bono, that's for sure.

Mercedes look like they're back in the frame finally, if they do good work over the winter break they are going to be right there again with Red Bull. Could make for an explosive 2023 season with Lewis and George right in Max's mirrors.

Hoping one of the midfield teams can make the jump up to the top tier next season, though not sure which one. Was thinking it might be McLaren after their great testing at the start of the year, but that flattered to deceive. If I had to put money on it, I'm thinking Aston Martin. The car seemed to be improving towards the end of this year and Alonso can make anything go fast it seems.

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#2999236 21-Nov-2022 15:32

There was talk of Aston(?) I think it was having a new wind tunnel coming online soon ish, either next year or the next etc.
They had definitely hired (poached?) some good people over the last year or two.

McLaren car designs seem way way too finicky to drive comfortably. That mixed with a poorer power unit have fired to deliver.
Seems much too on a knife edge, and not something you can resolve with a simple setup to favour a bit of oversteer sort of thing.
Pretty much head ruined DR trying to come to terms with it.

Red Ball really did well this year, fending off what should have been a powerful showing from Ferrari. For a lot of the races Max has had it pretty easy really.
Ferrari arrived with their ducks in a row and then the team just threw their drivers under a bus. Disgusting displays of ineptitude at times, quite unbelievable.

Mercedes did well to recover, but sadly way way way too late.
Their car has looked distinctly different from everyone else's the whole year, so rolled the dice there and it didn't pay off.

Looking forward, big driver shakeups and some no longer continuing into next year.
That Audi entry in a few years looks ominous, and I wonder if they'll hit with the likes of Vettel back like Schumacher did with Mercedes for example, maybe even with Mick?

Reckon we're close to starting a 2023 thread now, and starting that long wait into next season and another Netflix Survive to Drive series coming in the mean time 😉

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