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#2942280 15-Jul-2022 16:10

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There's an ELV at the moment in schools rugby outlawing jumping for high balls because of the number of injuries from high balls.

I'd support that being introduced, every time I see a play jump into the air for a high ball, I cringe wondering who will get hurt.

I think jumping to catch a high ball, originally was done because it gives the catcher an advantage as they 'can't be tackled', but it still goes wrong so frequently.

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#2942364 15-Jul-2022 18:37

networkn:

Handle9:

There's an ELV at the moment in schools rugby outlawing jumping for high balls because of the number of injuries from high balls.

I'd support that being introduced, every time I see a play jump into the air for a high ball, I cringe wondering who will get hurt.

I think jumping to catch a high ball, originally was done because it gives the catcher an advantage as they 'can't be tackled', but it still goes wrong so frequently.

At least they have changed the law to make the risky action illegal.

The gap between a red card for a high tackle and play on is too small. They haven't changed the laws to make tackling safer, all they have done is ratchet up the consequences for making mistakes.

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#2942567 16-Jul-2022 10:04

If we get a good win tonight it won't have much to do with our head & assistant coaches... much more to do with our players knowing it's going to be vital they show a lot more urgency/focus & execute their roles far better.

Sat 16th July {Wgtn Sky Stadium} - 7.05pm

ABs : 1. George Bower, 2. Codie Taylor, 3. Nepo Laulala, 4. Brodie Retallick, 5. Samuel Whitelock, 6. Scott Barrett, 7. Sam Cane – Captain, 8. Ardie Savea, 9. Aaron Smith, 10. Beauden Barrett, 11. Sevu Reece, 12. David Havili, 13. Rieko Ioane, 14. Will Jordan, 15. Jordie Barrett.

Reserves : 16. Dane Coles, 17. Aidan Ross, 18. Ofa Tu’ungafasi, 19. Akira Ioane, 20. Dalton Papalii, 21. Folau Fakatava, 22. Richie Mo’unga, 23. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

IRELAND : 1. Andrew Porter, 2. Dan Sheehan, 3. Tadhg Furlong, 4. Tadhg Beirne, 5. James Ryan, 6. Peter O’Mahony, 7. Josh van der Flier, 8. Caelan Doris, 9. Jamison Gibson Park, 10. Johnny Sexton, (c) 11. James Lowe, 12. Bundee Aki, 13. Robbie Henshaw, 14. Mack Hansen, 15. Hugo Keenan.

Reserves : 16. Rob Herring, 17. Cian Healy, 18. Finlay Bealham, 19. Kieran Treadwell, 20. Jack Conan, 21. Conor Murray, 22. Joey Carbery, 23. Keith Earls.

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#2942578 16-Jul-2022 10:28

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If we get a good win tonight it won't have much to do with our head & assistant coaches... much more to do with our players knowing it's going to be vital they show a lot more urgency/focus & execute their roles far better.

That makes little sense to me.

Why would this be any different than Super Rugby where Robertson and his coaching team are credited with the success of the Crusaders?

If we get a good win then it will mainly be due to the work of the head and assistant coaches. They select the playing team and coach those players to perform. The coaches don’t have direct control of player actions during the game which is why they don’t get all the blame when a team loses. Nor should the influence of the coaches efforts be minimised just because players play with the needed urgency and execution.

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#2942799 16-Jul-2022 13:27

Artbloke your hatred for Foster is getting irrational now. You can't blame him for the majority of issues if you aren't going to give him credit for the good things too. If the team loses its his fault mostly but if they win it's the players who deserve credit?

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#2942970 16-Jul-2022 19:11

Cane a liability already. That was so easy, our forwards are so bad.

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#2942978 16-Jul-2022 20:13

it's an emergency!

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#2942980 16-Jul-2022 20:23

not a red card eh

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#2942984 16-Jul-2022 20:53

you'd think you'd take the penalty first, then go again for the leveller

now we got nothing and that's the end of it i reckon

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#2942985 16-Jul-2022 20:58

The emperor has no clothes

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#2942986 16-Jul-2022 21:01

Well done Ireland!

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#2942987 16-Jul-2022 21:03

k1w1k1d:
Well done Ireland!

Yip. The best team won.

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#2942988 16-Jul-2022 21:03

Pretty awful spectacle. Cane had zero turnovers, two penalties and a couple of knock-ons. Completely anonymous in terms of communicating with Barnes.

High tackles are reds one week and yellows another. An incident can't be three weeks + a red one week and a yellow the next. Two games in a three game series ruined.

And the pace of the game being slowed by constant medical interventions and it just being allowed to happen; yet the incident that triggered the yellow was apparently "play on" even though a player had gone down after a head clash while a game of forceback took place around them.

A terrible series but a fitting result. But not one I'm sure Ireland entirely earned as much as we us not being prepped and just ending up giving away.

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#2942989 16-Jul-2022 21:08

GV27:
High tackles are reds one week and yellows another. An incident can't be three weeks + a red one week and a yellow the next. Two games in a three game series ruined.

The reasoning for both cards is pretty easy to understand. Both referees explained their decision clearly. Ta’avao launched himself and accelerated through the high tackle and Porter was passive - he absorbed the tackle. He didn’t throw himself forward and accelerate through. It’s the same rationale for Goodhue not being penalised in the Super Rugby final.

The pace this week was much better with Barnes. He’s by far the best referee in the world.

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#2942992 16-Jul-2022 21:15

artbloke:
If we get a good win tonight it won't have much to do with our head & assistant coaches... much more to do with our players knowing it's going to be vital they show a lot more urgency/focus & execute their roles far better.

So I guess the first half was the coaches fault and the second half comeback was down to the players?

Ardie and Jordan about the only players who stood up tonight.

Taylor was abysmal (again), the rest of the forwards went missing, the rest of the backs tried but laboured.

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