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#2945556 23-Jul-2022 11:40

Scott Robertson was never really going to get involved - the NZRU Board are that arrogant they won't admit they didn't select the right coaching staff, they said losing the Irish series was unacceptable, yet they do nothing about it... reckon within the AB Staff we should've moved Schmidt to the head coaching role. couldn't believe it when I heard Foster say on tv last night that he is good at strategy, what a joke.

In an usual job like working in an office or a tradesman etc, if you had a leading role & kept on making the same mistakes over & over, you'd either be demoted or fired.

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#2945660 23-Jul-2022 17:47

I see plenty of criticism for Fosters selections for the Rugby Championship, lamenting the players who are uncapped or barely capped not being given more game time during the Ireland series.

People are never going to be happy. Putting an young inexperienced side (moreso than we had to due to Covid and injuries) would as likely of resulted in the same series loss, and then people would be bitching he didn't play experience.

I can't imagine a job I'd rather not have than the AB's head coach.

Having said that, there was an interesting and enlightning article by Gregor Paul which talked about some of the 'details' around how assistant coaches came through the review at the end of the review with mentions of the word scathing reviews by players. It seems that Foster really should have cut them loose then or Robinson should have refused to let Foster insist he could help then through the rough patch they were going through. It does speak to a guy who is a little too nice and too loyal to make difficult decisions. I hope he can fix that and add an edge back into the AB's.

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#2945662 23-Jul-2022 18:18

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I see plenty of criticism for Fosters selections for the Rugby Championship, lamenting the players who are uncapped or barely capped not being given more game time during the Ireland series.

People are never going to be happy. Putting an young inexperienced side (moreso than we had to due to Covid and injuries) would as likely of resulted in the same series loss, and then people would be bitching he didn't play experience.

You are missing the point. There has been no visible development of the team for sometime. Essentially they are running largely the same attack and defence with the same players. That's resulted in progressively worse results.

Dropping Taukeiaho was probably the worst symptom of that. If they had shown some courage they would have started him instead of playing Taylor but instead they went back to the same old players and got the same old results.

The lack of player development under Foster has been pretty alarming.

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#2945754 24-Jul-2022 07:22

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Fainga'anukus was totally reckless. You can't just launch yourself out of control and hope you don't hit someone. He was very lucky not to be red carded as Clarke was earlier in the year.

You can't eliminate head contact but NZ doesn't really seem to be trying. This will continue to happen, especially as NZ referees look for reasons not to give cards instead of officiating the law the way it is written. When it gets to international level the referees officiate the law correctly and there's outrage from New Zealand supporters.

You can't card your way into making the sport safe. It won't happen.

This paywalled article in the telegraph is worth reading.

Charlie Morgan is excellent. His article on Irelands attacking shape is also great and shows the way teams with a modern attacking shape attack. I'm bemused that this kind of article never gets published in NZ.

Incidentally the Telegraph paywall is similar to the NZ Herald.

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#2945870 24-Jul-2022 12:55

Ireland are not doing anything special... just executing good solid forward play, also their forwards are changing angles offloading short passes etc, and good option taking in their backs... find it bloody astonishing we are so poor in both those areas.

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#2945877 24-Jul-2022 13:12

Amazed Weber isn't in the squad to go to SA, him & Fakatava would have to be our best two halfbacks.

Aaron Smith use to have the edge over our other 9's because he had the faster pass, at 33 you can see his passing game is now more laboured, he hardly runs & kicks away a lot of possession through silly box kicks - I'm a Hurricanes bloke, but since Perenara came back from Japan the quality of his play has dropped a lot... also don't think many of us rate Christie that much.

Reckon B.Barrett would be the most thoughtless 10 in international rugby when it comes to general kicking, but Foster will start him again in South Africa in both tests.

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#2945898 24-Jul-2022 14:25

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129366622/jason-ryan-to-join-all-blacks-coaching-team-as-john-plumtree-brad-mooar-sacked

Link says it all.

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#2945931 24-Jul-2022 15:02

artbloke:
Ireland are not doing anything special... just executing good solid forward play, also their forwards are changing angles offloading short passes etc, and good option taking in their backs... find it bloody astonishing we are so poor in both those areas.

The top ranked team in the world isn’t doing anything special? Okey dokey.

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#2945947 24-Jul-2022 15:43

Handle9:
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Fainga'anukus was totally reckless. You can't just launch yourself out of control and hope you don't hit someone. He was very lucky not to be red carded as Clarke was earlier in the year.

You can't eliminate head contact but NZ doesn't really seem to be trying. This will continue to happen, especially as NZ referees look for reasons not to give cards instead of officiating the law the way it is written. When it gets to international level the referees officiate the law correctly and there's outrage from New Zealand supporters.

You can't card your way into making the sport safe. It won't happen.

This paywalled article in the telegraph is worth reading.

Charlie Morgan is excellent. His article on Irelands attacking shape is also great and shows the way teams with a modern attacking shape attack. I'm bemused that this kind of article never gets published in NZ.

Incidentally the Telegraph paywall is similar to the NZ Herald.

First article now republished on Stuff out side the paywall.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/129366001/high-tackles-and-card-confusion-contribute-to-existential-crisis-in-new-zealand-rugby

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#2945991 24-Jul-2022 19:12

Rugby NZ and globally needs to take head injury seriously, NZ Rugby is very lax on the issue of concussion and dementia. If the sport won't do more then governments need to intervene.

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#2945996 24-Jul-2022 19:50

MikeB4: Rugby NZ and globally needs to take head injury seriously, NZ Rugby is very lax on the issue of concussion and dementia. If the sport won't do more then governments need to intervene.

Dementia and concussion are different but linked issues.

Most of the evidence is that dementia/CTE is caused by large quantities of sub concussive impacts that don’t need to be direct head impacts. Concussion is a different issue with different and more directly derived impact.

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#2946048 24-Jul-2022 20:07

They are related. Any hard blow to the body can result in rapid movement of the brain. My son studyied this extensively and has very strong views about it from a professional point of view. US Football, Rugby, Rugby league, Football have to get serious about this and make urgent changes about tackle rules and tackle methods. The sports need to change either self governing of government action. Concussion has devastating outcomes as does impacts not directly resulting concussion. One concussion is too many.

Maybe full contact Rugby etc should be replace with touch rugby.

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#2946051 24-Jul-2022 20:28

MikeB4:Maybe full contact Rugby etc should be replace with touch rugby.

Touch rugby already exists. You are proposing rugby be banned?

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#2946087 25-Jul-2022 00:10

Handle9:
artbloke:

Ireland are not doing anything special... just executing good solid forward play, also their forwards are changing angles offloading short passes etc, and good option taking in their backs... find it bloody astonishing we are so poor in both those areas.

The top ranked team in the world isn’t doing anything special? Okey dokey.

It's about each individual executing the basic skill sets well in their position, then you'll perform well as a team, and the playmakers taking the right options & executing them accurately, Ireland are, we are not... so yeah, they are not doing anything special.

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#2946088 25-Jul-2022 00:18

It's a shocker they're using Plumtree & Mooar as scapegoats... the buck stops with the head coach, he should've at least been demoted, with Schmidt taking over as head coach, and the Crusaders forward coach Ryan should be his assistant.

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