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#3201982 1-Mar-2024 13:04

I don't think any of the top field cars will have their engines 'turned up' as they need them to last... they can draw conclusions on performance even at lower engine modes as it generally only affects acceleration and they can accurately predict that. what will make a difference though is how the cars are using their tyres which the RB has been amazing at and the Ferrari where good at for one lap. It would be good for Mercedes to be competitive though as that will mean Perez has to push hard and that will be fun to watch!

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#3201983 1-Mar-2024 13:05

I think it's probably both. Although the interview with Lawrence and Max in the F1TV post FP2 show, Max seemed to agree with the suggestion they didn't adjust the engine modes for qualy/race yet.

Personally, I'm pondering if there might be plank issues (ala COTA last year) for a couple of the teams (Merc and McLaren in particular), they seemed to be sparking quite a lot at times, to the point that part of Russell's leading floor edge was glowing red hot, and even had a little flame during some of the running. I think that's a first I've seen that happen.

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#3202160 1-Mar-2024 17:27

So there's been more Horner drama. A dossier of the messages apparently that were in question, circulated to senior FIA and team personnel as well as media.

Either way, it's looking increasingly likely that the Redd Bull statement on this was not the final word.

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#3202248 1-Mar-2024 22:25

Benoire:

I disagree about your Lewis statement. He has always said he wanted to drive to Ferarri ever since he was young and with Wolff revealing that they only had him on one year contracts to ensure they could keep kimi Antonelli the choice to move on was clear... Yes Mercedes have produced a dog of a car but I think he would have moved on to Ferarri even if the car was amazing if he had won the 8th already.

Agree to disagree. Every driver wants to go to Ferrari. Lewis wants the 8th title so he becomes the GOAT. If Mercedes wasnt a dog, he would stay.

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#3202249 1-Mar-2024 22:28

Jaxson:

tdgeek:

that is total BS. Mercedes cannot win a race let alone a Title, so he went to a team that can. Fair play, but play the honest card.

Mate you're kinda forgetting he's not moving right now, so still has a year to race with this team. It's not a smart move to throw them under the bus when you have to work with them for a whole season.

Exactly, so "Ive always wanted to drive for Ferrari" Keeps the bus to one side. IMHO he wants the title. That wont happen at Mercedes, Ferrari is on the up

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#3202250 1-Mar-2024 22:29

langi27:

Are Redbull sandbagging or does Mercedes have real pace after watching P1 and P2.

Pretty sure redbull have the engine wound down and wont show their real pace till Q3, Lewis look genuinely surprised when they interviewed him after P2.

Sandbagging and FP sessions, that is totally normal!

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#3202252 1-Mar-2024 22:31

Benoire:

I don't think any of the top field cars will have their engines 'turned up' as they need them to last... they can draw conclusions on performance even at lower engine modes as it generally only affects acceleration and they can accurately predict that. what will make a difference though is how the cars are using their tyres which the RB has been amazing at and the Ferrari where good at for one lap. It would be good for Mercedes to be competitive though as that will mean Perez has to push hard and that will be fun to watch!

100%. They reckon Ferrari has sorted the deg on long runs/race runs, thats quite huge

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#3202282 2-Mar-2024 10:14

Close quali. Max got a tow so its less than 2/10's. LeClerc went faster in Q2. Maybe Mercedes are almost there, hard to say based on Hamiltons laps, maybe George just named it and out performed the car?

In any case the race will be more decided by the drivers than the cars for 2024. Less mistakes or more mistakes will matter more.

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#3202395 2-Mar-2024 14:22

tdgeek:

Close quali. Max got a tow so its less than 2/10's. LeClerc went faster in Q2. Maybe Mercedes are almost there, hard to say based on Hamiltons laps, maybe George just named it and out performed the car?

In any case the race will be more decided by the drivers than the cars for 2024. Less mistakes or more mistakes will matter more.

Hamilton mentioned that George and himself went different directions, George went for quali 1 lap performance and lewis for race performance but he also said that he screwed up qauli and should have been further forward probably closer to 5th rather than 9th... Be interesting to see how competative the Merc is with the two different setups and how well Ferarri & Mclaren do against the RB.

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#3202410 2-Mar-2024 15:12

tdgeek:

the race will be more decided by the drivers than the cars for 2024.

Maybe, it's still early days.
Traditionally the red bull has been stunning over a full race, so lets see how it play out.
Nice to have a non Sunday race for once.

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#3202529 2-Mar-2024 19:06

Benoire:

tdgeek:

Close quali. Max got a tow so its less than 2/10's. LeClerc went faster in Q2. Maybe Mercedes are almost there, hard to say based on Hamiltons laps, maybe George just named it and out performed the car?

In any case the race will be more decided by the drivers than the cars for 2024. Less mistakes or more mistakes will matter more.

Hamilton mentioned that George and himself went different directions, George went for quali 1 lap performance and lewis for race performance but he also said that he screwed up qauli and should have been further forward probably closer to 5th rather than 9th... Be interesting to see how competative the Merc is with the two different setups and how well Ferarri & Mclaren do against the RB.

Yep. its an unknown.

Im a Red Bull fan, and obviously McLaren, and Piastri who is a Down Under driver

Overall I love sport. Ive watched Roger vs Novak and while I will have my preference, if its good sport, its good sport

The race, its close. Max wont be running off in the distance as he, Lewis. Schummy have done when the car is so dominant. (to be fair Red Bull has never been that dominant)

Red Bull will be super solid. Ferrari if they got over the high race tyre deg will be well and truly there. Mercedes as per your post, right there. McLaren right there

As I posted earlier, there is no huge car advantage now. Its now between the ears, who chokes and who doesn't. Who handles some bad laps or bad luck and pushes on and who falters. Most elite sport reward the guys/girls who dont falter

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#3202531 2-Mar-2024 19:24

Jaxson:

Maybe, it's still early days.
Traditionally the red bull has been stunning over a full race, so lets see how it play out.
Nice to have a non Sunday race for once.

I get that.

Ferrari with Schummy was untouchable, as best car best driver and ultra team orders. Remember Indy when Barrichello won? He didnt, he pulled over

Red Bull isn't dominant despite the last 3 years or the other 4 titles. Speed Trap, never in it, same when Vettel won 4 titles. Quali? Maybe yes, maybe no, not dominant.

Like any Tier 1 sport, you dont need to be 10/10 of anything, as long as you are 9/10 of everything, and IMHO thats where Red Bull nail it

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#3202591 3-Mar-2024 09:36

Well, that was a bit of a yawn fest. Most excitement of the day was RB Cash team orders for Yuki.

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#3202621 3-Mar-2024 11:25

Yeah not much of a race.

So the team ranking are easily settled at least at this track.

Car wise, RBR, Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren. Not a lot in it though

Perez and Sainz had issue free races (a few others had various issues) If you take Perez and Sainz as fairly even, then the gap between RBR and Ferrari is very tight. A few seconds over 57 laps. Although Perez now says he had tyre issues, a bit of sliding between compounds. Driver or tyres? Unsure

It shows that Max is in a league of his own, its not just the car

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#3202623 3-Mar-2024 11:33

hairy1: Well, that was a bit of a yawn fest. Most excitement of the day was RB Cash team orders for Yuki.

I know the team radio calls are delayed but I'd have thought in that circumstance, IE letting Riccardo go to catch the Haas, Riccardo should have given the place back if he couldn't get the Haas?
Probably be fairer on Tsunoda.

That said I don't know how long he may have been holding Riccardo up.

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