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  #2644842 31-Jan-2021 20:04
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tdgeek:

 

Great video, thanks. How long were those races time wise? The foil yachts are a great watch but the races seem too short, less time for come backs.

 

 

I'm not sure how long the races were. They were long but much more tactical, so they were exciting to watch even if they did go on for a long time. Waiting three hours for the wind to get up was the only part I didn't like.

 

I can only find winning margins, but we've seen larger margins in this cup than we saw in many races in 2000. Boats were constantly coming together, and every cross was a potential lead change. They didn't have tight boundaries, so they could go off on their own in search of wind, coming back to round a single mark.




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  #2644860 31-Jan-2021 20:27
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Also, as this is a new type of boat design, if they stayed as a similar design, they will evolve, get better and be closer.

 

Much like Formula 1 large design rule changes, you end up with a spread of fast medium and slow, over time they close right up


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  #2644865 31-Jan-2021 20:42
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Well, they don't send a man up the mast to look for wind. And had a fulltime tactition making mind up where to turn to maximize racecourse length. Unlike now

 

And they took forever to do a tack for a start, Where they can do it on a dime. As long as the hydos working :P

 

If I recall they could be up to 45mins




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  #2644869 31-Jan-2021 20:54
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Oblivian:

 

Well, they don't send a man up the mast to look for wind. And had a fulltime tactition making mind up where to turn to maximize racecourse length. Unlike now

 

And they took forever to do a tack for a start, Where they can do it on a dime. As long as the hydos working :P

 

If I recall they could be up to 45mins

 

 

More like 2-3 hours. The current races are more like 45 minutes.

 

 

 


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  #2644874 31-Jan-2021 21:02
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Time compresses with age :P

 

But in reality. I can't recall the last campaign I watched. Due time or stuck on a PPV


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  #2649062 7-Feb-2021 18:21
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This channel is doing some really interesting technical analysis. Worth a watch to try and understand what's going on - the commentators don't really cover much. Take what they say with a grain of salt but they make some very interesting points.

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK0h2Yj6jcyeXGeITonYnOA

 

 


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  #2661026 22-Feb-2021 10:59
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I was watching without sound, the win for the UK against LR. At one point they were 400m+ ahead, nek minit it was really close, what happened in that intervening time?


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  #2661030 22-Feb-2021 11:08
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I was watching without sound, the win for the UK against LR. At one point they were 400m+ ahead, nek minit it was really close, what happened in that intervening time?

 

 

A slow boat, well at least consistently slower than Luna Rossa. First race Satdee, LR gets away first draws clear, too fast. Second race INEOS gets away first, and that advantage of clean air, and disrupting the follower with dirty air, allows them to hold on.....but only just. 

 

Not a huge gap between then but enough to steadily draw away.

 

 


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  #2661040 22-Feb-2021 11:15
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Well, UK opened a gap in every leg except the one I am referring to, the lap right before the one I am referring to (4/5 I think) they opened up 300m+ and then lost most of it. I was wondering if they made a mistake in that 5th lap that cost them 300m they made up the prior lap?

 

 


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  #2661043 22-Feb-2021 11:21
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Well, UK opened a gap in every leg except the one I am referring to, the lap right before the one I am referring to (4/5 I think) they opened up 300m+ and then lost most of it. I was wondering if they made a mistake in that 5th lap that cost them 300m they made up the prior lap?

 

 

If they made a mistake it was with their decision to take the left gate. LR went right and perhaps had some wind advantage in addition to raw boat speed. The fact that they had separation gave LR more options. UK may have sacrificed some of their lead to keep it close, although with their manoeuvres being slower they wouldn't have wanted it too close.


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  #2661046 22-Feb-2021 11:24
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SirHumphreyAppleby:

 

networkn:

 

Well, UK opened a gap in every leg except the one I am referring to, the lap right before the one I am referring to (4/5 I think) they opened up 300m+ and then lost most of it. I was wondering if they made a mistake in that 5th lap that cost them 300m they made up the prior lap?

 

 

If they made a mistake it was with their decision to take the left gate. LR went right and perhaps had some wind advantage in addition to raw boat speed. The fact that they had separation gave LR more options. UK may have sacrificed some of their lead to keep it close, although with their manoeuvres being slower they wouldn't have wanted it too close.

 

 

Why would any team want to keep it close? Surely you are wanting the biggest gap possible between you and your opponent? I must admit, I don't really 'get' sailing. I should probably watch some videos.


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  #2661053 22-Feb-2021 11:38
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If you let your opponent sail on a different side of the course, you run the risk that they sail in a different breeze (slightly different direction, or more/less pressure).

 

When you are far enough ahead, you can choose where you sail by looking up or down the course and aiming for that (hence the leading boat generally extending).

 

If you aren't confident that your boat is faster (as was the case with Ineos in lighter winds), you have to cover your opponent, which may cost you a little bit of your lead as you are reacting to what they are doing rather than going where you'd ideally like to be (or just minimising your manoeuvres). Ineos did that well in R2 on Saturday where the wind was around 12-13 knots. In Race 2 on Sunday, even though they got the advantage off the line, they couldn't as in those lower range winds (less than 12 knots) Luna Rossa were simply too fast.


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  #2661057 22-Feb-2021 11:45
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trig42:

 

If you let your opponent sail on a different side of the course, you run the risk that they sail in a different breeze (slightly different direction, or more/less pressure).

 

When you are far enough ahead, you can choose where you sail by looking up or down the course and aiming for that (hence the leading boat generally extending).

 

If you aren't confident that your boat is faster (as was the case with Ineos in lighter winds), you have to cover your opponent, which may cost you a little bit of your lead as you are reacting to what they are doing rather than going where you'd ideally like to be (or just minimising your manoeuvres). Ineos did that well in R2 on Saturday where the wind was around 12-13 knots. In Race 2 on Sunday, even though they got the advantage off the line, they couldn't as in those lower range winds (less than 12 knots) Luna Rossa were simply too fast.

 

 

Agree

 

 

 

If LR had got off the line first on Saturday Race 2, they would have drew away as usual.


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  #2671155 10-Mar-2021 17:00
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I take it no one is surprised with how that went? 


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