MH370 - Call for Search & Rescue Help

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#1005057 13-Mar-2014 16:05

They dont have 12 of them like China, they were basing theirs in the original search area, then moved them to Malaka strait, no doubt they will move them again.

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#1005170 13-Mar-2014 20:16

Now WSJ are saying it flew on for hours, due to engine data sent to Boeing.

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#1005211 13-Mar-2014 21:07

blakamin: Now WSJ are saying it flew on for hours, due to engine data sent to Boeing.

I think the data was sent to Roll Royce, the engine manufacturer, (and possibly engine owner - if a power by the hour arrangement was in place) however either way this information will be of some value. I'm surprised it's taken so long for this info to come to light as it would have been known at the time the aircraft went missing.

I've heard stories about this info being used by ground based engineers to send a message telling the crew to bring an engine back to flight idle as the engineers had seen data that made them concerned about the engines health.

I wouldn't be surprised of there wasn't other data being transmitted as well to Malaysian Airlines. Very often it is shared with Boeing but I read somewhere that Malaysian had chosen not to share it with Boeing.

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#1005222 13-Mar-2014 21:23

Technofreak: I'm surprised it's taken so long for this info to come to light as it would have been known at the time the aircraft went missing.

Exactly... And I find it difficult to believe nobody asked them or they just didn't volunteer the info.

Technofreak: I wouldn't be surprised of there wasn't other data being transmitted as well to Malaysian Airlines. Very often it is shared with Boeing but I read somewhere that Malaysian had chosen not to share it with Boeing.

I think they know waay more than they're letting on. But by doing that, they're digging themselves a deeper hole when it all comes out in the end (whenever that may be).

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#1005226 13-Mar-2014 21:42

There's some speculation on another bulletin board that the aircraft was flown to an unknown destination (by the crew or hi jackers). The authorities know this but aren't sure where and are keeping info back while they try to flush out more information. In the meantime they keep up the pretence of looking for the aircraft.

Personally I find this a bit far fetched, but I guess anything is possible.

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#1005228 13-Mar-2014 21:46

Technofreak: There's some speculation on another bulletin board that the aircraft was flown to an unknown destination (by the crew or hi jackers). The authorities know this but aren't sure where and are keeping info back while they try to flush out more information. In the meantime they keep up the pretence of looking for the aircraft.

Personally I find this a bit far fetched, but I guess anything is possible.

I don't find it too far fetched in view of the fact the plane flew for 4 hours after the transponder was disabled.

'If' this were true, what are they planning on doing with the aircraft and what would they do with the passengers?

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#1005233 13-Mar-2014 22:03

no it's more like why did they want a big slow clumsy 777 plane? if they didn't want the plane did they want a passenger? if they didn't want a passenger was there something smuggled in the plane? surely they can look at all the passengers and cctv of the cargo loaded.

the overarching issue they need to investigate the pilot who must be involved if everything was shut off so nicely

if all negative that scenario is not just unlikely, but that a space-time wormhole trapping them is more likely

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#1005266 13-Mar-2014 22:40

I read this comment on another website:

I’m not a fan of any conspiracy theories, but there still is the issue of the 20 Freescale Semiconductor engineers on board that flight. Last year there was a mysterious suicide regarding an electronics engineer in Singapore who was probably working on some perhaps-military equipment for China (without his knowledge, his work was given to Huawei and he was not very fond of this). Now we have this. Covering tracks after embedding a military back door into devices? Sorry if it sounds like a ridiculously tin-foil-worthy story, i don’t believe it myself but some may enjoy to speculate on this.

Like the commenter I don't buy into conspiracy but it's interesting what is coming out. Still, so sad for the families to be caught up in speculation like this. Hope they find the plan ASAP.

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#1005279 13-Mar-2014 23:14

blakamin: Now WSJ are saying it flew on for hours, due to engine data sent to Boeing.

The Malaysian government refutes that claim, and states that the last engine data received was at 1:07 am (13 minutes before the transponder signal was lost).

I tend to believe that report - rather than an "unnamed source" at RR.

AFAIK the ACARS data includes engine data, but information on other flight systems. A friend with Air NZ assures me that if he runs an engine outside specified parameters, they know about it instantly, engineers and unhappy management with some bad news about future career prospects would be there to greet him as he stepped off the plane.

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-refutes-reports-malaysia-airlines-mh370-flew-few-hour

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#1005286 13-Mar-2014 23:34

rule number 1 - never believe anything the Malaysian government says

rule number 2 - refer rule number 1

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#1005288 13-Mar-2014 23:36

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-malaysian-government-dubbed-brainless-allowing-witch-doctor-1440047

in case you don't believe me ... well ... they really have no ... idea

edit: added http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-12/why-malaysia-will-say-almost-nothing-about-the-missing-flight#p2

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#1005315 14-Mar-2014 05:21

Fred99:
blakamin: Now WSJ are saying it flew on for hours, due to engine data sent to Boeing.

The Malaysian government refutes that claim, and states that the last engine data received was at 1:07 am (13 minutes before the transponder signal was lost).

I tend to believe that report - rather than an "unnamed source" at RR.

AFAIK the ACARS data includes engine data, but information on other flight systems. A friend with Air NZ assures me that if he runs an engine outside specified parameters, they know about it instantly, engineers and unhappy management with some bad news about future career prospects would be there to greet him as he stepped off the plane.

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-refutes-reports-malaysia-airlines-mh370-flew-few-hour

My money would be on the RR statement.

One theory that has possibilities is that assuming this aircraft had oxygen bottles instead of oxygen generators that there was a oxygen bottle failure like Qantas had a few years ago. Apparently where the bottles are located on the 777 an event like this as well as puncturing the fuselage could also take out the avionics bay.

This could explain no transponder info and no radio calls. With no oxygen the crew would become incapacitated very quickly but perhaps not before taking action to rectify things and staring a descent and a turn. The aircraft would continue on auto pilot till it ran out of fuel.

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#1005353 14-Mar-2014 09:18

Technofreak:
Fred99:
blakamin: Now WSJ are saying it flew on for hours, due to engine data sent to Boeing.

The Malaysian government refutes that claim, and states that the last engine data received was at 1:07 am (13 minutes before the transponder signal was lost).

I tend to believe that report - rather than an "unnamed source" at RR.

AFAIK the ACARS data includes engine data, but information on other flight systems. A friend with Air NZ assures me that if he runs an engine outside specified parameters, they know about it instantly, engineers and unhappy management with some bad news about future career prospects would be there to greet him as he stepped off the plane.

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-refutes-reports-malaysia-airlines-mh370-flew-few-hour

My money would be on the RR statement.

The WSJ have back-tracked from their claim: An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines.
It implied that there was an RR specific ACARS system - when it's all part of one system monitoring the aircraft.
It's a globally viral story based on information that they received from a source they don't name, presumably someone with an agenda - which has been passed on and embellished.
The fact that they extend the search area and don't dismiss the possibility that the plane could have continued flying is not evidence that they continued to receive ACARS data, just that there's been nothing found in the search area where the transponder signal was lost, and until something is found to show otherwise, the possibility remains that the transponder and ACARS system was disabled (including that this could have happened as a result of mechanical failure) or turned off and that the plane kept flying, that theory is probably wrong (apply Occam's razor) despite the fact that it is supported by some ambiguous radar information.
My money is with the Malaysian government and airline on this.
They are being bombed with claims and criticism to the extent that whatever they say isn't being trusted by conspiracy theorists - including many in the world's press it seems.
In the absence of information in a world hungry for it, wild speculation sells advertising much better than reports that there's nothing new to report.

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#1005373 14-Mar-2014 09:32

The story was based on the belief that the SATCOM link was still up. ACARS data is transmitted using various technologies depending where the plane is located.

If the SATCOM link was up it changes the game completely. It means the plane did not 'disappear' at it's last known location.

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#1005393 14-Mar-2014 09:53

sbiddle: The story was based on the belief that the SATCOM link was still up. ACARS data is transmitted using various technologies depending where the plane is located.

If the SATCOM link was up it changes the game completely. It means the plane did not 'disappear' at it's last known location.

There's only an unsubstantiated rumour from an undisclosed source to the WSJ (now partially retracted) stating that the ACARS system was still up,
but the Malaysians claiming that the last ACARS data was at 1:07.

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