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#2576206 29-Sep-2020 22:16

And we have a conclusion on the laws of Ethiopia and Indonesia brought to us by an expert on Geekzone......

After all, someone did say "sufficient evidence laws for people to be brought to trial in both countries".

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#2577016 1-Oct-2020 09:30

dejadeadnz:

And we have a conclusion on the laws of Ethiopia and Indonesia brought to us by an expert on Geekzone......

After all, someone did say "sufficient evidence laws for people to be brought to trial in both countries".

F F S give it a rest.

When someone puts "If you ask me..." and "I think..." in their post then that says to me it's their opinion. Not a proclamation to be an expert.

Sometimes I use big words I don't always fully understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.

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#2577022 1-Oct-2020 09:44

An opinion needs to have a reasonable basis for it to be worthwhile. Otherwise everyone is just blogging and broadcasting their feelings and thoughts.

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#2577061 1-Oct-2020 11:08

Technofreak clearly provided a reasonable basis for articulating an opinion.

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#2577106 1-Oct-2020 11:13

dejadeadnz:

An opinion needs to have a reasonable basis for it to be worthwhile. Otherwise everyone is just blogging and broadcasting their feelings and thoughts.

You are the only one who seems to be unhappy with the unscientific nature of the discussion (which like many discussions here, are based on presented facts, which rarely represent a full and final conclusion given not all information makes it to the public arena).

If it bothers you so much, there is a button for that.

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#2577109 1-Oct-2020 11:15

The issue is opinion on what. Evidential sufficiency based on a legal test (again, read back to the words) to prosecute? It's not exactly easy to have an informed opinion about relatively obscure legal systems (to NZers) without having studied it. Evidential sufficiency based on his general interpretation of the facts? Perhaps. But he's the one that confused the issues with references to law and evidential sufficiency in "both countries", which are absolutely localised legal concepts.

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#2577161 1-Oct-2020 11:36

dejadeadnz:

The issue is opinion on what. Evidential sufficiency based on a legal test (again, read back to the words) to prosecute? It's not exactly easy to have an informed opinion about relatively obscure legal systems (to NZers) without having studied it. Evidential sufficiency based on his general interpretation of the facts? Perhaps. But he's the one that confused the issues with references to law and evidential sufficiency in "both countries", which are absolutely localised legal concepts.

It’s pretty simple, I’m surprised you don’t understand this. Technofreak expressed an informal opinion based on sufficient facts and informal evidence presented in the media. You are conflating this with a formalised legal opinion, which quite clearly and obviously Technofreak is not attempting to do.

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#2577186 1-Oct-2020 12:02

As originally written, his post had the reference to "laws" in the relevant sentence. But I think this topic has been sufficiently well-exposed.

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#2607952 21-Nov-2020 12:36

From FlightRadar24 Newsletter:

The FAA has approved changes to the 737 MAX and rescinded its grounding order, paving the way for Boeing and airlines to return the aircraft to service in the US. Other regulators have yet to give their approval.

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#2613332 30-Nov-2020 13:04

"How Boeing 737 MAX's flawed flight control system led to 2 crashes that killed 346"

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#2613903 1-Dec-2020 12:12

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"How Boeing 737 MAX's flawed flight control system led to 2 crashes that killed 346"

Hmmmm. Why do reporters completely ignore some very significant contributing factors.

The headline should be "How Boeing 737 MAX's flawed flight control system coupled with negligent airline practices led to 2 crashes that killed 346"

I thought this paragraph headline in the linked article was so apt in describing that article. "A crusade against Boeing".

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#2614512 2-Dec-2020 08:45

Technofreak:

freitasm:

"How Boeing 737 MAX's flawed flight control system led to 2 crashes that killed 346"

Hmmmm. Why do reporters completely ignore some very significant contributing factors.

The headline should be "How Boeing 737 MAX's flawed flight control system coupled with negligent airline practices led to 2 crashes that killed 346"

I thought this paragraph headline in the linked article was so apt in describing that article. "A crusade against Boeing".

@Technofreak, your views are definitely in the minority regarding how this issue is viewed globally.

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#2615183 2-Dec-2020 22:30

@Dafman

My views may seem to be in a minority if your information is mostly gained from sources like that article.

Obviously you think Boeing is solely responsible and there is no fault at either airline. That is easy to prove wrong.

I have read opinions of many people with significantly more expert knowledge than the likes of the people that wrote that article linked above. I also have a wide range of acquaintances who have in depth knowledge of operating Air Transport aircraft and dealing with similar emergencies. I have discussed these accidents with them and my views are not in a minority in this company.

Boeing is being hung out to dry when there are other people who deserve to shoulder some of the blame.

There is ample evidence of fault within those airlines. To give a couple of examples.

The Lion Air aircraft nearly came to grief on the flight immediately prior to the crash flight with exactly the same problem. How was it that the aircraft could be dispatched without the fault having been properly rectified? Someone within the airline is culpable for this.

The cockpit voice recorder shows the Air Ethiopia crew didn't know and/or didn't follow the correct procedure. This points towards inadequate training which is a failing of the airline. Once again someone in the airline is culpable.

Pilot's didn't need to be super humans to fly the MAX when the MCAS went faulty. They just needed to follow the correct procedure which was highlighted by Boeing after the Lion Air crash. This has been proven out in the real world. The Lion Air flight prior to the crash flight proved this point. Even though the pilots didn't handle the situation well to start with they were able to land the aircraft safely by following the correct procedure.

Unfortunately the general media don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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#2628241 30-Dec-2020 22:16

American Airlines conducts it's first 737 Max revenue flights since the Max's grounding and new orders flow in for the Max.

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/boeing-737-max-resumes-u-s-service-gets-new-orders/

Good news on both counts.

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#2641841 25-Jan-2021 18:38

The more I read, the more certain I am I will never board a 737 Max

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55751150

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