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#2955655 17-Aug-2022 17:03

linw: And another one (Crimean ammo dump) bites the dust. Yeah.

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#2955686 17-Aug-2022 18:57

kingdragonfly:
linw: And another one (Crimean ammo dump) bites the dust. Yeah.

I think you forgot the alcohol … there was once a case where the Russian MIGs were not operational because even the de-icing alcohol (undenatured) needed in winter had "disappeared" ;-)

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#2955694 17-Aug-2022 19:41

Russian Occupied Crimea is on Fire

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Ukrainian forces keep striking military targets in Russian Occupied Crimea. Russia is now claiming sabotage, but will not accuse Ukraine of having long range missiles capable of penetrating their air defense systems. Russian civilians are fleeing Crimea as it is no longer safe for them.

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#2955786 17-Aug-2022 21:41

Tinkerisk:
I think you forgot the alcohol … there was once a case where the Russian MIGs were not operational because even the de-icing alcohol (undenatured) needed in winter had "disappeared" ;-)

That sounds like a possibly mangled version of the real story. The plane that was famous for this was the Tu-22 bomber, which used a mixture of ethanol and water for evaporative cooling of air bled off the engine compressors that was fed into the cockpit. Since there was a finite supply of coolant, there was a tradeoff between how cool you wanted the air feed to be and how long you wanted the cool air to last.

Drinking some of the finite supply of coolant before the flight didn't help matters.

The Mig-25 also used a smaller amount of alcohol for de-icing of the canopy, but what typically happened there was that the alcohol was replaced with water and then planes were operational but with limited visibility due to ice.

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#2955827 18-Aug-2022 02:52

neb: The Mig-25 also used a smaller amount of alcohol for de-icing of the canopy, but what typically happened there was that the alcohol was replaced with water and then planes were operational but with limited visibility due to ice.

This is what I meant and nothing else I had written ... the alcohol for de-icing had disappeared (and the water content had increased accordingly, so to speak). And as a former - you know - I would consider this not operational in terms of a mission (or was that why they accidentally shot down an civil airplane near Sakhalin Island - they just couldn't spot it?) :-)

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#2955828 18-Aug-2022 03:05

Tinkerisk:
This is what I meant and nothing else I had written ... the alcohol for de-icing had disappeared (and the water content had increased accordingly, so to speak). And as a former - you know - I would consider this not operational in terms of a mission (or was that why they accidentally shot down an civil airplane near Sakhalin Island - they just couldn't spot it?) :-)

Given that the designers would have known how things work there, it's kinda surprising they didn't use glycol for de-icing like everyone else on the planet...

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#2955939 18-Aug-2022 10:55

I had a friend who worked for the KGB as a colonel. He told me poor Russians would find a copper rod and poor brake fluid over it.

Some of the brake fluid would freeze onto the rod. What didn't freeze was captured in a container.

Honestly I can't remember what the next steps were, and it's probably not a good idea to post them anyway lest someone is stupid enough to try.

Glycol ethers
* intoxication similar to the effects of alcohol
* cause anemia (a shortage of red blood cells)
* damage to testicles (balls)

Ethylene glycol intoxication following brake fluid ingestion complicated with unilateral facial nerve palsy: a case report

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#2956087 18-Aug-2022 15:37

I don't think the fact that they were dangerous would have deterred any Russian designer, Russian military tech is a catalogue of things designed without any regard for human factors or safety... I don't even know where to start, but since I mentioned the Tu-22 the cockpit layout was so bad that pilots carried metal hooks with them to be able to reach the controls, and since instruments were scattered at random around the cockpit and their locations prevented flying in some conditions like a crosswind, flights had to be carefully scheduled for when it was OK to do so.

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#2956730 19-Aug-2022 19:45

CNBC: Russia is offering a hero’s medal and $16,000 to women who have 10 kids

The “Mother Heroine” medal ranks alongside awards for bravery and services to the state.

It comes with stipulations, including raising all children with an “appropriate level of care” and all being alive, aside from those killed in military or civic service.

Russia has long faced an economic challenge from a declining and ageing population, which has accelerated since its invasion of Ukraine.

The Express UK: What about your son?' Russia misery laid bare as soldier’s mum panics over missing iPhone

... a woman appears so indifferent to her son’s faith, and, on the other hand, anxious about the debt her family is into, that she worries about her son’s iPhone and not his life.

...The Russian soldier is shown in the video desperately bending his head and facing the ground as he hears his mum lashing out about the iPhone that his grandparents bought him as a gift.
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#2956801 19-Aug-2022 23:32

kingdragonfly: CNBC: Russia is offering a hero’s medal and $16,000 to women who have 10 kids

"Have $2.3 million worth of kids and we'll give you $16k!". Who could resist?

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#2956823 20-Aug-2022 09:09

From Media Bias Fact Check:

"the Moscow Times has been called a 'militant anti-Putin paper, a digest of the Western press with extreme bias in covering events in Russia.' They cover Russian national news, politics, and culture for an English language reader."

I'm not saying they are wrong. This article is using Putin's own words as its main source.

The Moscow Times: Putin Slams 'Bigotry' and 'Stagnation' of Western-Dominated World

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday accused the West of seeking to prolong the war in Ukraine and impose a unipolar world order that prevents nations from “choosing their own path.”

“More and more states and nations choose [to pursue] their own path of free, sovereign development…These processes are opposed by Western globalist elites [that] provoke chaos, and spark old and new conflicts,” Putin said Tuesday at the inaugural address to the 10th annual Moscow International Security Conference.

Putin claimed that Western elites are working tirelessly “to preserve the hegemony and power that is slipping out of their hands” and keep countries in the grip of the “neo-colonial order” that serves their interests.

"Their hegemony means stagnation for the whole world, for all of civilization; [it means] bigotry and cancel culture, [it means] neoliberal totalitarianism," said Putin.

Putin has repeatedly accused the West of trying to "cancel" Russia and of infringing on Moscow's sphere of influence in Ukraine, which it invaded in February after months of demanding that NATO pull out of the pro-Western country.

He has also justified the invasion with baseless claims that Kyiv has been taken over by Nazis and that Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine's Donbas region are being subjected to "genocide."
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#2956826 20-Aug-2022 09:28

Telegraph: Russia’s new rocket-launching robot attack dog may not be all it seems

A rocket-launching robotic attack dog unveiled at an arms expo is in fact a commercially-available “home helper” sold online by Chinese websites.
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And while the Chinese device would be able to support the weight of an RPG-26 launcher, it is uncertain the machine would be able to handle the recoil from firing the weapon.
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#2956827 20-Aug-2022 09:37

During recent Russian military expo, Putin giving demo of Russian made truck. The door handle breaks off in his hand.

Russian Weapons are Decades ahead of the West

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#2956832 20-Aug-2022 10:12

neb:

I don't even know where to start, but since I mentioned the Tu-22 the cockpit layout was so bad that pilots carried metal hooks with them to be able to reach the controls

The relentless march of technology will eventually render such primitive workarounds completely obs--

Huh. Well... as you were.

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#2956834 20-Aug-2022 10:25

For people on this page discussing the alcohol problem because of the "four enemies of Russia" meme posted at the top of the page, I think you've failed to get the sarcasm in the picture. A cigarette is there because Russian commanders briefly denied the ammunition depot explosion being caused by a Ukrainian attack, but because of a cigarette butt.

It's not an actual depiction of "enemies" but a joke.

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