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#2728586 14-Jun-2021 16:35

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For most people it's a choice. There is a preponderance of Ute's with shiny trays and pristine tow bars.

At the moment, unless you've got the cash to spend on a huge ute and can entertain a premium EV, your choices on the second hand market is a feature-limited Leaf with a ticking time-bomb battery that you can't really take out of town, and would require the back-up of a second ICE vehicle and all the costs that come with it. I would contend that's far more likely to be "most people" than the guys who buy a top-spec Ford Ranger because they tow their boat for a couple of weeks during the Xmas holidays.

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#2728595 14-Jun-2021 16:51

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For most people it's a choice. There is a preponderance of Ute's with shiny trays and pristine tow bars.

At the moment, unless you've got the cash to spend on a huge ute and can entertain a premium EV, your choices on the second hand market is a feature-limited Leaf with a ticking time-bomb battery that you can't really take out of town, and would require the back-up of a second ICE vehicle and all the costs that come with it. I would contend that's far more likely to be "most people" than the guys who buy a top-spec Ford Ranger because they tow their boat for a couple of weeks during the Xmas holidays.

There is very little to zero impact on those people.

The reference was made to there not being alternatives for people who buy dirty vehicles, you are out of context.

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#2728970 15-Jun-2021 09:58

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There is very little to zero impact on those people.

The reference was made to there not being alternatives for people who buy dirty vehicles, you are out of context.

"For most people" is a pretty huge, all-encompassing general term to use when you're apparently talking about what is a very small subset of people.

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#2732656 22-Jun-2021 13:26

I originally felt Labour was probably the better of the two major parties to lead a review and revamp into mental health, but clearly, that faith was quite misplaced. They are handling this as well as they handled Kiwibuild, the tree planting project and many other things.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300339166/mental-health-minister-extraordinarily-frustrated-as-just-five-new-acute-beds-added-after-19b-investment

Will anyone be held to account? Nope.

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#2732657 22-Jun-2021 13:33

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I originally felt Labour was probably the better of the two major parties to lead a review and revamp into mental health, but clearly, that faith was quite misplaced. They are handling this as well as they handled Kiwibuild, the tree planting project and many other things.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300339166/mental-health-minister-extraordinarily-frustrated-as-just-five-new-acute-beds-added-after-19b-investment

Will anyone be held to account? Nope.

I don't want to get into a political discussion about this but is it a Labour issue or a bureaucracy issue? It seems to me like the Ministry of Health is an obese quango that keeps tripping over itself. What can Labour or anyone else do to actually fix this?

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#2732672 22-Jun-2021 13:58

Yeah our mental health system is a complete joke which is costing lives and there is no excuse for this. You can throw a trillion dollars at it but if you don't set it up properly and administer it with the right people its a waste of time and money and is going to change nothing.

Heads need to start rolling over this and the right people put in to bring about the right infrastructure and change.

When you hear all sorts of stories like a poor lass who rung the crisis team and was told opps sorry gotta go it the end of my shift I mean W.T.A.F.

We have a young girl next to us who has very bad post natal depression and can get next to no help at all.

Everybody knows its broken the PM said its broken but takes time for change, Years down the track and there has been NO change GRRRRRRR I am just so angry with our lack of addressing this. I would go to anger management but there is nobody who will help.

Bit of sarcasam there at the end but you get the drift on how much I feel this mental health system of ours is so dysfunctional.

Thank you to all the mental health professionals out there that are doing the best you can I am so sorry you are not being supported.

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#2732673 22-Jun-2021 14:01

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I don't want to get into a political discussion about this but is it a Labour issue or a bureaucracy issue? It seems to me like the Ministry of Health is an obese quango that keeps tripping over itself. What can Labour or anyone else do to actually fix this?

Who is it that the MOH answer to again!?

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#2732685 22-Jun-2021 14:07

My question remains.

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#2732703 22-Jun-2021 14:19

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My question remains.

Who's responsibility is it? The people who promised to fix it. Who was that?

If they weren't up to the job, they should have said so, or at least not volunteered for the job.

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#2732714 22-Jun-2021 14:45

The Ministry of Health and everything that goes with it were there before Labour became the government. Apart from apportioning blame, what would it take to fix it? The dysfunction there seems excessive, even for a government ministry.

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#2732716 22-Jun-2021 14:49

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The Ministry of Health and everything that goes with it were there before Labour became the government. Apart from apportioning blame, what would it take to fix it? The dysfunction there seems excessive, even for a government ministry.

The health system is structurally and culturally borked and has been for a long time. That's the reason for the structural changes announced earlier this year.

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#2732725 22-Jun-2021 15:16

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The Ministry of Health and everything that goes with it were there before Labour became the government. Apart from apportioning blame, what would it take to fix it? The dysfunction there seems excessive, even for a government ministry.

The health system is structurally and culturally borked and has been for a long time. That's the reason for the structural changes announced earlier this year.

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#2732739 22-Jun-2021 15:31

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The Ministry of Health and everything that goes with it were there before Labour became the government. Apart from apportioning blame, what would it take to fix it? The dysfunction there seems excessive, even for a government ministry.

The health system is structurally and culturally borked and has been for a long time. That's the reason for the structural changes announced earlier this year.

Very little if anything that this government has set out to do has been done with any level of efficiency or success, what makes you think the execution of this restructure will be any different?

Next report will be 1.9B spent on restructure only 5% completed, and defenders of the Government, will blame some department and say it's not really the Governments fault.

At some point, if you say you are going to fix it, you actually need to understand what you are undertaking. I have yet to see any evidence the Government has the slightest grasp of that.

What department will be in charge of the restructure of the health system? The entirely dysfunctional MOH?