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#3228954 11-May-2024 10:48

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Gender identity / trans rights is such a complicated and hot topic, I suspect he is hoping to grab the attention of a small portion of the community with strong views and let it gather momentum, spilling over into the middle ground. Personally, you do you, live your best life in whatever form that takes. I personally don't understand it and don't have a vested interest in it either way.

It is only complicated and a hot topic because some choose to make it that way. For others, it is just part of life. Personally, I would just love to see a horde of bearded, muscular, dark voiced types invade public women's toilets everywhere waving their birth certificates. I bet that would get any stupid trans laws changed very quickly!

The idiots who think pissing has anything to do with sex are the same idiots who think reading stories to children in drag has anything to do with gender. Idiots are going to be idiots and sleazy opportunists like Peters are going to try to profit off them.

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#3228972 11-May-2024 11:55

sen8or:

I think Winston is grabbing to much of his ideas from the US.

He probably sees an opportunity to grab some votes from crazy people.

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Gender identity / trans rights is such a complicated and hot topic,

It's not. If your life is not impacted by someone else's life, you have nothing to worry about.

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I would suspect the number of cases where there is actual sexual harm caused by a trans person in a bathroom that doesn't match their biology is minimal, but the "right" jump onto any example they can get hold of.

Usually there are two types of "neutral" toilets in New Zealand:

- a lobby with many stalls (pretty much like a female toilet)
- individual toilets in a corridor

Otherwise it's no different than going to a toilet on an aeroplane or a cafe with a single toilet serving all patrons.

Public toilets in small towns in the middle of nowhere? Keep it separate if you want, but they are probably a problem already for anyone of any gender. In stadiums and sports venues? Having urinals makes it faster for a male crowd to move quickly (the reason why there are more queues at female toilets).

The main problem in the USA is the stupid toilet stalls with huge gaps around the doors where people can peek inside. We don't have this here.

To me, it's the end of the story.

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#3228974 11-May-2024 11:57

I wonder if Winston ever visited Amsterdam. I saw these while there and no one worries about it:

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#3229461 13-May-2024 08:28

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Sigh... I knew this was coming and I knew at some point my own damn existence would be threatened by a bill such as this.

Bigotry is apparently more important to Winnie then the cost of living, or our most recent event, power shortfalls.

Apparently in order to protect privacy you will now be checked at the door to ensure your plumbing is standard. I'm so sorry about this.:-(

Ugh... these people make me incandescently angry. Can't they just let people live their own lives? This coalition can't fall apart fast enough.

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#3229463 13-May-2024 08:30

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I wonder if Winston ever visited Amsterdam. I saw these while there and no one worries about it:

I suppose it's better than just peeing on the wall, but I gotta say I would be a little hesitant myself. :-)

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#3229526 13-May-2024 09:02

Public urinals have a long tradition in Amsterdam. This is just a modern version of one.

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#3229527 13-May-2024 09:16

Used one in Paris in 2007, not far from the Eiffel Tower. The "walls" weren't that high though, so you're eye to eye with other people using it. Rather awkward. Paris also had unisex toilets in a few places. From memory we noticed one at a McDonald's and another I think at Versailles, so I'm sure there'd be more.

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#3229528 13-May-2024 09:17

SaltyNZ:

I suppose it's better than just peeing on the wall, but I gotta say I would be a little hesitant myself. :-)

I guess it's like nudist beaches etc. Once you are used to it, it becomes nothing special.

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#3229776 13-May-2024 13:37

The regional projects announced are: Penlink, Waihoehoe Road,…

Penlink has been under construction for over a year already. But thanks anyway, Simeon. (Edit - tidy up link now I'm not on mobile)

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#3229805 13-May-2024 14:58

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The regional projects announced are: Penlink, Waihoehoe Road,…

Penlink has been under construction for over a year already. But thanks anyway, Simeon.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/516658/transport-minister-announces-new-roads-of-regional-significance

Its a name change not a new announcement. Moves from NZ Upgrade Programme to Roads of Regional Significance. The only thing it does is take project scope and funding out of Ministerial hands and make NZTA solely responsible. Seems at odds with the Fast-Track Legislation concentrating power with Ministers.

A couple of project extensions will be folded into tow existing RONS, otherwise is virtually a non-announcement.

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#3229836 13-May-2024 16:00

SaltyNZ:

The regional projects announced are: Penlink, Waihoehoe Road,…

Penlink has been under construction for over a year already. But thanks anyway, Simeon. (Edit - tidy up link now I'm not on mobile)

Just went to the vet and had talkback on the radio when driving back. DJ asked people to call about the "Roads of Regional Significance" and a caller went to say that with "Roads of Regional Significance" and the 15-minute city project, don't be surprised if the state launches more surveillance and starts charging you if you move out of your area.

Could hear the laugh coming from the studio...

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#3229842 13-May-2024 16:25

SaltyNZ:

The regional projects announced are: Penlink, Waihoehoe Road,…

Penlink has been under construction for over a year already. But thanks anyway, Simeon. (Edit - tidy up link now I'm not on mobile)

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#3229900 13-May-2024 17:37

@deepred not funny. Not discussing the argument and making fun of someone's physical characteristics is not the spirit here.

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#3230059 14-May-2024 08:38

Shane Jones says he didn’t declare a dinner at which he suggested a coal mining company approach a Cabinet colleague to enter the Government’s fast-track consenting regime because it was a “last-minute” event.

Barry Bragg, the Stevenson Group deputy chair, wrote to RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop in February. Stevenson is behind an opencast coal mine project, which has suffered numerous losses in the courts, planned for the South Island’s West Coast.

Bragg’s letter to Bishop on February 19 opened with: “I had dinner with Resources and Regional Development Minister Shane Jones last Friday and he suggested I write to you to ask that the Te Kuha coal project be considered for listing in the fast-track and one-stop shop bill.”

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#3230135 14-May-2024 10:35

SaltyNZ:

Shane Jones says he didn’t declare a dinner at which he suggested a coal mining company approach a Cabinet colleague to enter the Government’s fast-track consenting regime because it was a “last-minute” event.

Barry Bragg, the Stevenson Group deputy chair, wrote to RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop in February. Stevenson is behind an opencast coal mine project, which has suffered numerous losses in the courts, planned for the South Island’s West Coast.

Bragg’s letter to Bishop on February 19 opened with: “I had dinner with Resources and Regional Development Minister Shane Jones last Friday and he suggested I write to you to ask that the Te Kuha coal project be considered for listing in the fast-track and one-stop shop bill.”

Clare Curran's ministerial career was ended over undiarised meetings.

One would love to see consistency applied but sadly I doubt even diamond-forming pressure would make Winston Peters sack Shane Jones. Mores the pity.

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