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  #3230322 14-May-2024 14:50
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SaltyNZ:


Shane Jones says he didn’t declare a dinner at which he suggested a coal mining company approach a Cabinet colleague to enter the Government’s fast-track consenting regime because it was a “last-minute” event.


Barry Bragg, the Stevenson Group deputy chair, wrote to RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop in February. Stevenson is behind an opencast coal mine project, which has suffered numerous losses in the courts, planned for the South Island’s West Coast.


Bragg’s letter to Bishop on February 19 opened with: “I had dinner with Resources and Regional Development Minister Shane Jones last Friday and he suggested I write to you to ask that the Te Kuha coal project be considered for listing in the fast-track and one-stop shop bill.”



 


Clare Curran's ministerial career was ended over undiarised meetings.



Curran resigned for lying to the house repeatedly about the undiarised meetings, not for the meetings themselves.



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  #3230390 14-May-2024 15:59
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Curran resigned for lying to the house repeatedly about the undiarised meetings, not for the meetings themselves.

 

 

 

The lying was the last straw but she had already been warned multiple times about not noting meetings in her diary. That's why she lied.





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  #3230457 14-May-2024 17:37
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-roundup-the-govts-fast-track-being-demolished-by-submissions-to-parliament/TG4V6AYH3FDLZJVSPSHR5W4MJU/

 

Big.....medium.....teeny tiny.....OK any business - 'Jump'. National - 'How high ? This high ? or maybe a bit higher ? how bout up to here. Its no problem guys, anything you say.'





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  #3230458 14-May-2024 17:42
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ockel: One would love to see consistency applied but sadly I doubt even diamond-forming pressure would make Winston Peters sack Shane Jones.  Mores the pity.

Jones is a cabinet minister. Any decision to sack him from that position would be Luxon's. That would almost certainly end the coalition. It seems very unlikely.

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  #3230466 14-May-2024 18:03
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SaltyNZ:

Handle9: 

Curran resigned for lying to the house repeatedly about the undiarised meetings, not for the meetings themselves.


 


The lying was the last straw but she had already been warned multiple times about not noting meetings in her diary. That's why she lied.



Aderns statement when she removed Curran from cabinet:

This issue is about the fact it simply wasn't recorded in a written question. That was the offence at hand. The fact she had the meeting in itself is, again, not the issue.


It’s quite clear that not diarising the meeting wasn’t the problem, misleading the house was the offence.

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  #3230557 15-May-2024 06:02
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rb99:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-roundup-the-govts-fast-track-being-demolished-by-submissions-to-parliament/TG4V6AYH3FDLZJVSPSHR5W4MJU/

 

Big.....medium.....teeny tiny.....OK any business - 'Jump'. National - 'How high ? This high ? or maybe a bit higher ? how bout up to here. Its no problem guys, anything you say.'

 

 

A political party writing legislation to the benefit of a supporters base? How unprecedented. 


 
 
 

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  #3230644 15-May-2024 09:59
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It’s quite clear that not diarising the meeting wasn’t the problem, misleading the house was the offence.

 

 

 

Well, if the lying was the problem, then ...

 

 

On Monday, Jones told Newsroom his dinner with Bragg wasn’t included in his regularly disclosed ministerial diary because “it was very much a last-minute thing”.

 

 

But after more questions were asked, Jones is correcting the record. Not only was the dinner organised in advance, it had two other participants.

 

 

 

 

 





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  #3230645 15-May-2024 10:01
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And in other totally unprecedented shocking news that nobody ever could have predicted:

 

 

The ministry has told consultancies it will have contracts for training and advising teachers on NCEA changes, and on the qualification's literacy and numeracy requirements.

 

RNZ understands both areas are currently covered by ministry staff, who are losing their jobs.

 

RNZ has also been told consulting firms are now asking some of the staff being made redundant to work for them, essentially doing the same work but at double the price the ministry would have paid.

 

 

 





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  #3230650 15-May-2024 10:28
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  #3230661 15-May-2024 11:06
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Just wait until we find out that Charter schools cost more and give worse results.


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  #3230663 15-May-2024 11:09
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sir1963:

 

Just wait until we find out that Charter schools cost more and give worse results.

 

 

But it seems to be a pet project of some right-wing parties and we know which party is trying to do it.





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  #3230718 15-May-2024 11:53
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Hmmm, looks like the coalition has done nothing to end all Covid-19 vaccine mandates despite it being a commitment for NZ First. 

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/516832/questions-about-coalition-s-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-pledge





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  #3230728 15-May-2024 12:03
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Incompetence and pandering to conspiracy theorists.

Great.




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  #3231008 15-May-2024 21:39
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https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/15/auckland-wont-complete-big-busway-in-pm-and-ministers-electorates/

 

Of course Simeon Brown doesn't want to commit funding to complete the Eastern Busway. That would divert funding from building endless roads for single-occupant cars! 🙄


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  #3231047 16-May-2024 06:26
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SaltyNZ:

 

Well, if the lying was the problem, then ...

 

 

On Monday, Jones told Newsroom his dinner with Bragg wasn’t included in his regularly disclosed ministerial diary because “it was very much a last-minute thing”.

 

But after more questions were asked, Jones is correcting the record. Not only was the dinner organised in advance, it had two other participants.

 

 

 

It's all fun to play word games but he didn't lie in the house.

 

Just beat him up for what he did, which with Shane Jones is trivially easy and he deserves, rather than playing whataboutism with someone elses poor behaviour which wasn't the same.


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