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#2552315 30-Aug-2020 11:21

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Warning: adult language and situations described.

Monologue: American Carnage

Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

Bill returns to his studio to recap the top issues of the week, including the Republican National Convention and Jerry Falwell Jr.'s widely reported sex scandal.

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#2552381 30-Aug-2020 14:08

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kingdragonfly: Warning: adult language and situations described.

Monologue: American Carnage

Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

Bill returns to his studio to recap the top issues of the week, including the Republican National Convention and Jerry Falwell Jr.'s widely reported sex scandal.

Well worth a watch, especially from 1:50 to 3:17 :-)

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#2552468 30-Aug-2020 16:28

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quickymart:

I wonder if Bush would endorse Biden? I know he's not a fan of Trump.

Did they have much to do with each other when Bush was president?

Endorsements matter, but they matter less than politicians think.

GW is retired from politics and doesn’t have plans to endorse any candidate. He also has his brothers "Low energy Jeb Bush" back (lost Republican president nomination to Trump)

GW wasn't at the Republican National Convention this year, just as he wasn't there in 2016, when the GOP first nominated Don. Besides he is too busy painting portraits of US immigrants.

GW and Biden did work closely together, while he was President, in Oct 2002 Biden got all the Democrat votes, giving GW the authority to use force in Iraq. The war, based on lies, from the national security state, that cost US taxpayers $1.922 trillion, and 288,00 dead souls.

Even if GW won't endorse, his administration and officials have - 43 Alumni Administration Officials Publicly Endorse Joe Biden, personally I wouldn't want an endorsement from Sect. of State Colin Powell, the guy who presented the 'intelligence' lies about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, to the UN Security Council

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#2552517 30-Aug-2020 16:45

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nathan:

GW and Biden did work closely together, while he was President, in Oct 2002 Biden got all the Democrat votes, giving GW the authority to use force in Iraq. The war, based on lies, from the national security state, that cost US taxpayers $1.922 trillion, and 288,00 dead souls.

Even if GW won't endorse, his administration and officials have - 43 Alumni Administration Officials Publicly Endorse Joe Biden,

Are you trying to imply that the Iraq war is Bidens fault?

Trump was for the Iraq war, so was most of US politicians and media.

The deception and lies was all the Republican's doing.

Re. the Bush administration supporting Biden: Yet you recently claimed that the Republicans are with Trump....

personally I wouldn't want an endorsement from Sect. of State Colin Powell, the guy who presented the 'intelligence' lies about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, to the UN Security Council

The guy that was the fall guy for the W. Bush's agenda against Iraq? Not a fan either, but let's not pretend that this was all of Powell's doing.

So you think all the people that have been committing crimes on Trump's behalf are more responsible than Trump?

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I do actually agree with you that the Iraq War was stupid and pointless, and totally unnecessary (as well as being launched under false pretenses). But the way the coronavirus death toll is going, Trump isn't going to be far behind with his inept handling of that crisis either.

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#2552527 30-Aug-2020 17:00

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quickymart:

I do actually agree with you that the Iraq War was stupid and pointless, and totally unnecessary (as well as being launched under false pretenses). But the way the coronavirus death toll is going, Trump isn't going to be far behind with his inept handling of that crisis either.

Voters don't blame Trump singularly, they blame the system. Biden is the system. Its not clear what Biden would have done differently about the plague - everything is easy with hindsight - he didn't agree with China flight ban etc.

Trump has handled it terribly, and he does himself no favors with the stupid soundbites, about bleach, its jut a few cases, it will magically disappear etc

Trump is not a leader or a manager, Biden is.

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#2552544 30-Aug-2020 17:30

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jarledb:

Are you trying to imply that the Iraq war is Bidens fault?

Trump was for the Iraq war, so was most of US politicians and media.

The deception and lies was all the Republican's doing.

Re. the Bush administration supporting Biden: Yet you recently claimed that the Republicans are with Trump....

Yes vast majority of politicians, and all media were into it, because national security state, and patriotism, and 9/11 and America f&^k yeah

The deception and lies were the national security states doing, not the Republicans, the Republicans and Democrats went along with it because interventionism and warmaking always has bipartisan support - the political and corporate elites; and defense industry enriches itself

I'm not implying its Biden's fault, but he certainly championed it. 18 years later Biden is still trying to explain that decision- defending the Iraq war, and lying about his record on foreign policy for decades. 5 years before the invasion, at a 1998 Senate hearing, Biden argued that “taking this son of a — taking Saddam down” was the only way to guarantee Iraq’s disarmament. Bush wouldn't have got the votes (as quickly) without Biden cracking the whip. And I am implying the judgement of anyone should be questioned if they take George Bush, the national security state, or the medias word for anything.

re: Republicans are with Trump - ~40% of voters are, just like ~40% of voters are with Democrats. Its the mushy in the middle that decides elections - independents and suburban voters, that vote on policy not party.

Trump is first President in a generation seeking to end wars not start one. Trump is the first President in 2 terms to not start a war.

Democrats have left themselves open and let Trump get to the left of them on warmaking, and wide open to criticism on Biden's Iraq war record, and throwing out your principles by sucking up to Bush era neocons like Colin Powell

The guy that was the fall guy for the W. Bush's agenda against Iraq? Not a fan either, but let's not pretend that this was all of Powell's doing.

So you think all the people that have been committing crimes on Trump's behalf are more responsible than Trump?

I agree it wasn't all Powell's doing - never forget the names Vice President Dick Cheney; VP Chief of Staff Scooter Libby; Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld; National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice

My point is that there are never ever ever any political ramifications from making serious mistakes/fraud like that, it just goes way, especially when its politically expedient to win an election by making your enemies, enemy your friend.. They should be 'disqualified' from being paid to give their opinions on CNN/MSDNC/Fox. They've proved their opinions/endorsement are worthless.

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#2552545 30-Aug-2020 17:34

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jarledb:

The guy that was the fall guy for the W. Bush's agenda against Iraq? Not a fan either, but let's not pretend that this was all of Powell's doing.

PS and if Pompeo did the same thing, I would have exactly the same disgusting opinion, as of Powell et al

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#2552547 30-Aug-2020 17:44

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What wars did Obama start, or seek to start?

Sorry, I think I missed something here.

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#2552552 30-Aug-2020 17:54

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What wars did Obama start, or seek to start?

Sorry, I think I missed something here.

Before office, Obama vowed to end wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. During his 2nd term, he pledged to take the country off what he called a “permanent war footing.”

He launched airstrikes or raids in at least 7 countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan

The whole concept of war changed under Obama. “He” vastly expanded usage of special forces, and tech like drones and cyber. We’re now wrapped up in all these different conflicts, at a low level and with no end in sight.

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#2552558 30-Aug-2020 18:17

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freitasm: Trump at some point claimed Democrats wanted a law allowing abortion up to the nineth month...
The "full-term abortions" nonsense is a long-term tenet of anti-abortion radicals in the US. It's very effective because while everyone's distracted debating a nonexistent piece of fiction it derails any chance to have a serious debate about actual abortion issues. It's been used in NZ as well by anti-abortion radicals taking lessons from the US.

The abortion debate is just another (hyper) partisan issue here. The problem is more the nonsense caused by believing in imaginary-sky-fairies, and that the fairy you've been brainwashed into believing in, without any evidence, is the correct one.

Unless you've lived in America, you really can't grok how embedded the brainwashing thru indoctrination to believe Gods imaginary narcissistic blackmailing threats are real

The growing extremism of the debate alienates many people on the left and right, and leaves pro-life Democrats as well as some anti-abortion conservatives, no where to go. You can't really blame anti-abortion voters for turning to Don, they feel ignored or disdained for their most deeply held beliefs, and for them its a #1 policy issue. There's a common thread here, the US 2 party electoral system is bankrupt.

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October surprise from Russia to help Trump?

CNN: 2 Russian aircraft make 'unsafe' intercept of US Air Force B-52 bomber

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#2552824 31-Aug-2020 08:07

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nathan:

Before office, Obama vowed to end wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. During his 2nd term, he pledged to take the country off what he called a “permanent war footing.”

He launched airstrikes or raids in at least 7 countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan

The whole concept of war changed under Obama. “He” vastly expanded usage of special forces, and tech like drones and cyber. We’re now wrapped up in all these different conflicts, at a low level and with no end in sight.

Whilst I absolutely agree that he didn't end any wars, and also that he greatly expanded the extra-judicial drone killing program, that wasn't the question. The question was what wars did he start? And the answer to that is none - the US was already involved in all those places.

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kingdragonfly: October surprise from Russia to help Trump?

CNN: 2 Russian aircraft make 'unsafe' intercept of US Air Force B-52 bomber

No, this is routine. Russian fighters intercept NATO (usually US) bombers, and NATO forces intercept Russian bombers. Literally all the time. Nothing to see here.

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kingdragonfly: October surprise from Russia to help Trump?

I love the CNN spin in the chyron

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And your spin

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