Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2575224 28-Sep-2020 12:36

Trump timeline.

This is the problem with Donald. He is vulnerable to enemies of the state because of this:

As many of his companies continue to lose money, Mr. Trump has more than $300 million in loans, for which he is personally responsible, coming due within the next four years. He liquidated hundreds of millions of dollars in stocks in recent years and may have less than $1 million left in his portfolio, according to his public financial disclosures. The pandemic has crippled the hospitality and recreation industry that so much of his portfolio of properties is dependent on.

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#2575236 28-Sep-2020 12:52

kingdragonfly:

Legality: Secession is not impossible; it's "extra-legal" like most coupes. If a territory does it, and gets away with it, then it's legal. If it fails, it's illegal.

Well, it isn't like the US has a long history of open rebellion or anything, is it?

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#2575298 28-Sep-2020 13:30

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Perfect timing. 😉

I'm not so sure. Non-Trumpers won't be surprised by it, Trumpers will see it as another part of the anti-Trump conspiracy by the fake-news NYT. I don't think it'll change much.

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#2575302 28-Sep-2020 13:52

Fred99:

Today's headline in NY Times:

Long-Concealed Records Show Trump’s Chronic Losses and Years of Tax Avoidance

The Times obtained Donald Trump’s tax information extending over more than two decades, revealing struggling properties, vast write-offs, an audit battle and hundreds of millions in debt coming due.

Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.

He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.

As the president wages a re-election campaign that polls say he is in danger of losing, his finances are under stress, beset by losses and hundreds of millions of dollars in debt coming due that he has personally guaranteed. Also hanging over him is a decade-long audit battle with the Internal Revenue Service over the legitimacy of a $72.9 million tax refund that he claimed, and received, after declaring huge losses. An adverse ruling could cost him more than $100 million.

His heirs will have to sort out the mess. He'll be long dead before all the inevitable court challenges from all sides are done with.

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#2575308 28-Sep-2020 14:00

Sorry - I deleted my post - my dumb for not seeing the NYT scoop had already been posted.

Maybe instead of the "Noble" prize, Trump can get his new SC servant of God to appeal to her male superiors for beatification and canonization.
Saint Donald of Palm Beach - patron saint for the morally and financially bankrupt.

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#2575312 28-Sep-2020 14:03

neb:

Sideface: Perfect timing. 😉

I'm not so sure. Non-Trumpers won't be surprised by it, Trumpers will see it as another part of the anti-Trump conspiracy by the fake-news NYT. [snip]

Nothing will change the mind a Trump cultist, but it could encourage Democrat and undecided voters to actually vote.

I am astounded by the huge number of Americans who don't choose to vote.

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#2575320 28-Sep-2020 14:12

neb:Trumpers will see it as another part of the anti-Trump conspiracy by the fake-news NYT. I don't think it'll change much.

I disagree. One set of Trump supporters are evangelical pro-lifers. I'll exclude them.

Another set of supporters want "the American Dream." To quote Investopedia

"The American Dream is the belief that anyone, regardless of where they were born or what class they were born into, can attain their own version of success in a society where upward mobility is possible for everyone.

The American Dream is achieved through sacrifice, risk-taking, and hard work, rather than by chance."

(much like the unrealistic New Zealand Dream to buy an affordable home)

These supporters will say ad-nauseum that Trump is a great president because he's a great businessman.

While they may be active deniers, they'll eventually hear about the business losses.

Year-on-year business losses does not equal a great businessman.

It may make cast doubts that Trump is a winner. That in fact he's a loser.

They're OK with psychopathic, immoral winners.

Prosperity theology teaches financial blessing and physical well-being are always the will of God.

The opposite is also true. Financial troubles and sickness is God will to punish the wicked.

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#2575321 28-Sep-2020 14:14

Fred99:

Maybe instead of the "Noble" prize, Trump can get his new SC servant of God to appeal to her male superiors for beatification and canonization. ...

or maybe ...

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#2575370 28-Sep-2020 14:21

SJB:His heirs will have to sort out the mess. He'll be long dead before all the inevitable court challenges from all sides are done with.

At least it will tarnish the Republican reputation for the next generation.

Who knows: As Friedrich Nietzsche said: "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

IF a radically new attitude takes hold in the US, from local board to the Federal government, they may be better for having Trump.

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#2575373 28-Sep-2020 14:26

Sideface:

Nothing will change the mind a Trump cultist, but it could encourage Democrat and undecided voters to actually vote.

I am astounded by the huge number of Americans who don't choose to vote.

Thank the faecal plumes for that.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2575383 28-Sep-2020 14:46

Rikkitic:

Sideface:

Nothing will change the mind a Trump cultist, but it could encourage Democrat and undecided voters to actually vote.

I am astounded by the huge number of Americans who don't choose to vote.

Thank the faecal plumes for that.

Wiki - Voter turnout in the United States presidential elections

Voter turnout has fallen from a peak of 81.8% in 1876 to 55.5% in 2016.

This was before faecal plumes were invented. 😕

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#2575385 28-Sep-2020 14:50

Washington Post: ‘All in’ for Trump: These White men, the strongest Trump supporters, say they can’t be swayed

...The Trump Party is largely a party of men — especially White men without college degrees and especially those over the age of 40.

A majority of White men have long sided with Republican presidential nominees, and they voted for Trump at about the same rates as in previous years, according to exit polls — but Trump won the votes of White men without college degrees by the highest rate in at least 36 years, or as long as comparable exit polling has existed. Four years into a tumultuous presidency, these men consistently give the president his highest approval ratings, and polls show they’re happier with the economy and the direction of the country than White women or voters of color.

Their connection with Trump is cultural and emotional as much as political, closely intertwined with their lives and identities. His enemies are their enemies, his grievances are their grievances. They live by the rules he lives by: that concepts such as White male privilege or structural racism and sexism are to be scoffed at, that the working class, Christians and Trump supporters have been victimized, that it’s okay to be moved to tears by a love for the country and its president but that liberals are crybabies and snowflakes. They pride themselves on being self-made and see Trump, whose life has been nothing like their own, as a once-in-a-lifetime leader....

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#2575389 28-Sep-2020 15:03

kingdragonfly: Washington Post: ‘All in’ for Trump: These White men, the strongest Trump supporters, say they can’t be swayed

... [Trump supporters] pride themselves on being self-made and see Trump, whose life has been nothing like their own, as a once-in-a-lifetime leader ...

Let's hope so. One is enough. 🙂

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#2575392 28-Sep-2020 15:07

Sideface:

Wiki - Voter turnout in the United States presidential elections

Voter turnout has fallen from a peak of 81.8% in 1876 to 55.5% in 2016.

This was before faecal plumes were invented. 😕

I can't speak to the past but right now people like our resident plume are underwriting voter apathy by gnawing like worms at the process and the candidates with their message that everything is so corrupt that nothing can make any difference. If they are not being paid by the Russians, they ought to be because they are doing a brilliant job.

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#2575423 28-Sep-2020 15:54

kingdragonfly:

Redrawn to more accurately represent the scale:

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