Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1667042 10-Nov-2016 00:02

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I am wondering if Trump is Sh!tting himself now :) When he wakes up to the enormity of having to do what he promised... Wonder what Pence is like as President?

I hope he takes this seriously. Maybe he will have the highest staff turn over of any President. Some of the reasons he sacked people on the apprentice defied belief.

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#1667043 10-Nov-2016 00:31

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I trust the president of Russia far more than I do other politicians, so it's nice to hear dialogue between the two parties has already taken place.

https://www.rt.com/news/365966-putin-trump-congratulates-victory/

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#1667044 10-Nov-2016 00:32

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networkn:

I am wondering if Trump is Sh!tting himself now :) When he wakes up to the enormity of having to do what he promised... Wonder what Pence is like as President?

I hope he takes this seriously. Maybe he will have the highest staff turn over of any President. Some of the reasons he sacked people on the apprentice defied belief.

I don't think so, in some ways it is like the ultimate achievement in the world to become President of the USA. It is the most powerful job in the world. Does he have to do anything that he said he would do? Whats there worse that can happen to him? Be voted out at the next election. He may however be a bit worried that he will have to work, and work hard, and be told what to do. The thing is he gets swarmed with advisors anyway. The $400k salary will be a bit of a turnoff, considering he probably makes more than that from interest on his money in the bank.

The has been hardly anything said about Pence, and who he is. He is older than Obama is now, so is probably not a long term President candidate. He looks like a typical Republican.

I still can't believe he is now the President of the USA, as per his Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump . What is interesting though, is in 1988, he was considered for the vice president role when George Bush senior ran for office in 1988 , which he lost out to Dan Quayle. Then for most of the 2000's he was a Democrat, but then switched back to republican in the late 2000's. So he has been in the background for quite a bit. The TV program however has obviously made him a household name.

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Trump won the election because the people of America were tired of the ‘club’ that Washington has become. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton would have meant only 3 families had been in the Oval Office in for at least 32 years. That people dislike that is wholly unsurprising, and many of the controversies surrounding Hillary are equally unsurprising for someone so embedded in the political landscape. Trump has been very successful at scratching this itch for many voters, and as a self-proclaimed outsider has had a lot of clear air to criticize the political establishment and offer an alternative – someone who can come free from the shackles of corporate donors, in-party allegiances and years of (political) deals, doublespeak and dirty laundry. Donald Trump promises to fix what many see is broken in Washington, and that is an undeniably admirable objective for voters.
BUT……..
Donald Trump will not fix Washington, he will not fix America. Firstly, he has no true desire to. Being the ‘celebrity’ he is, there are literally hundreds of videos of him unashamedly demonstrating he will do almost anything to ‘win’. He is a textbook narcissist who will say or do anything, and will attempt to bully, discredit or sue anyone who stands in his way. Secondly, he has no clear or consistent policy on anything beyond hyperbolic slogans and nothing even close to an actual plan to achieve what he says he will do. His tactics in business (which he is not successful in by any generally accepted measure, including his own stated wealth) won’t work in the Oval Office. Being President is (thankfully, regardless of who is president) far from the supreme power that many think it is. There are many checks and balances with the house and senate that will not only likely prevent any large-scale political reform, but thankfully prevent any president from doing anything wildly stupid or rash – which seems to be Trump’s modus operandi.

Even had Trump not won, this has been a loud wake up call for all sides of politics, both in America and beyond. Getting as far as Republican candidate was going to stir things up – and that’s a good thing. There are things that are not working well in Washington, and in other places in the world, and voters in the US have made it very clear today they won’t stand for it.

They are politicians, and they all are (almost all) slimeballs. That’s the nature of the beast, and Trump is no exception. The task today of the American people wasn’t to choose the best person for the job, because frankly, they didn’t have good options to choose from. Their task was to choose the least bad person for the job from the two options they had, and they failed miserably. At the end of the day, both candidates are deeply flawed, but voters chose to put aside the fact that Donald Trump is an incredibly selfish, irrational, hateful, spiteful, unreasonable, uncaring, arrogant, abusive, manipulative, untruthful and unintelligent buffoon on the superficial promise to fix issues the president (whoever) simply cannot change in a meaningful way. Donald was perplexingly successful in minimising his own many flaws, failings and frauds whilst, relatively speaking, making Clinton look like a criminal mastermind because...she used a personal email server? If Donald Trump seriously tries to pursue many of the things his rants about, he will do significant damage to decades of progress in international relations, trade, global economies, equality, and the prosperity of many of the people he has conned. He has no idea what he is doing.

Like Brexit, Americans made their point today. And like Brexit, it will soon become clear that when politicians make extremely bold, brazen but unsubstantiated claims that appeal to people’s fears, prejudices and distrust, they can rarely make good on those promises even if they want to and usually make things far, far worse instead. And while electing Hillary would have meant more of the same than perhaps otherwise (we’ll see), she was by far the least bad option for a million reasons (and this post is long enough). Only time will now tell how this plays out – and I hope for everyone’s sake that Donald can control his inclination to look after himself over anyone else.

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#1667048 10-Nov-2016 01:16

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M. Obama will probably be a shoe in to be a future president though . Although I am still not sure they are ready yet for a female president, let alone a black female president. I think the female thing played a major role in Hillary not getting in, and also it was her personality, or lack of it. She isn't charismatic which is needed in a leader. Also the whole FBI thing when people were voting didn't help at all.

It is going to be so interesting to see what happens. I suspect there will be some major world events that will occur during his term.

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#1667070 10-Nov-2016 05:45

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DravidDravid: Yea, one of the greatest arguments for the Trump presidency is that he gains nothing by running. His private jet is a downgrade, the whitehouse is a downgrade, his payslip is a downgrade and his over-all lifestyle is going to be a downgrade. He had nothing to gain other than the title. He's said since the early nineties (or even before that) that he would only run if he felt he needed to step in and make positive change because he loves America.

Wrong. There is an enormous amount Trump will gain financially and personally from this position. He has no legal obligation to give up anything when he enters the presidency, and he will continue to trade. Preferably he will find a successor later to avoid any potential prosecutions that come up. He will not drain the swamp, just make it his own.

I can't see major changes unless they change their electoral system and system of government. It's actually surprising it is not a whole lot worse.

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#1667072 10-Nov-2016 06:13

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ajobbins:

Trump won the election because the people of America were tired of the ‘club’ that Washington has become. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton would have meant only 3 families had been in the Oval Office in for at least 32 years.

That said I believe Obama would have been a shoe in at this election if her was eligible.

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#1667073 10-Nov-2016 06:15

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mattwnz:

M. Obama will probably be a shoe in to be a future president though . Although I am still not sure they are ready yet for a female president, let alone a black female president. I think the female thing played a major role in Hillary not getting in, and also it was her personality, or lack of it. She isn't charismatic which is needed in a leader. Also the whole FBI thing when people were voting didn't help at all.

It is going to be so interesting to see what happens. I suspect there will be some major world events that will occur during his term.

Let us but hope this is the case, I don't think you could think of a better representative that her.

Hillary had a lot of haters out there, I think it was less of a woman thing and more about her personally.

Lets hope NZ learns from this and starts to vote FOR our candidate's not AGAINST them in our next election.

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#1667074 10-Nov-2016 06:34

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My speech if I was Obama...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi0uX2sZuFg

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#1667076 10-Nov-2016 07:11

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Tricky, the Republicans now have a lot of power, the electoral mandate, the House, the Senate. That means there is zero excuse for not delivering his promises, unlike Obama who had to fight the opposition.

It shows how much want the people had for change. They voted him in, but they also voted 60 plus percent, to give illegals a pathway, exactly opposite to Trump. Was this a Trump win, or a not status quo win?

How can he:

Build the wall, when his voters also voted for illegals to have a pathway

Cut taxes, who will fund that? Huge revenue loss

Rebuild the infrastructure to be the best in the world, who will fund that? Although employment will be positive. Huge costs

Push up debt to restructure the country is the only option I can see.

Slow down trade. That will require the globe to rethink everything, the US may be left out in the cold as the globe tariffs them for what they have to import, and builds stable trade relationships with non US nations over time. Maybe we will all enjoy free trade, import what little we can from the US and tariff them for what they need. Interesting times

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#1667079 10-Nov-2016 07:15

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A new day, no sun dammit Obama you lied. Still we are here and the world is still the same................ for now.

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#1667083 10-Nov-2016 07:26

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DravidDavid:

I trust the president of Russia far more than I do other politicians, so it's nice to hear dialogue between the two parties has already taken place.

https://www.rt.com/news/365966-putin-trump-congratulates-victory/

Trump's had hearty congrats from Duterte, Marine Le Pen, Nigel Farage, even Pauline Hanson.

His kind of people, apparently.

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Fred99:
DravidDavid:

I trust the president of Russia far more than I do other politicians, so it's nice to hear dialogue between the two parties has already taken place.

https://www.rt.com/news/365966-putin-trump-congratulates-victory/

Trump's had hearty congrats from Duterte, Marine Le Pen, Nigel Farage, even Pauline Hanson.

His kind of people, apparently.

I wouldn't read too much into the suck up brigade.

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#1667126 10-Nov-2016 08:46

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DravidDavid:

I trust the president of Russia far more than I do other politicians, so it's nice to hear dialogue between the two parties has already taken place.

https://www.rt.com/news/365966-putin-trump-congratulates-victory/

Trust him to do what? Manipulate the system to undermine democracy? Invade other countries? Exterminate ethnic minorities? Persecute the Rainbow community? Give the finger to the rest of the world? Start a cult of personality? Supress free speech? Run a criminal organisation? Appeal to demagoguery? What a wonderful leadership example!

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#1667130 10-Nov-2016 08:50

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networkn:

I am wondering if Trump is Sh!tting himself now :) When he wakes up to the enormity of having to do what he promised... Wonder what Pence is like as President?

I hope he takes this seriously. Maybe he will have the highest staff turn over of any President. Some of the reasons he sacked people on the apprentice defied belief.

According to Southpark, which as we all know is the font of contemporary wisdom, the Douche realised this some time ago and was desperately (unsuccessfully) trying to convince people to elect his opponent, the unsavoury sandwich.

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