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#1857818 4-Sep-2017 07:30

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/03/asia/north-korea-analysis/index.html

Looks like the US military also see nuclear NK as the way it will have to be. Get the US out will never happen if thats the case, and NK want the Korean War to be over, so the US can leave, thats quite a joke

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#1857819 4-Sep-2017 07:31

The lead in this must come from NKs neighbours, that is, China, South Korea, Russia and Japan

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1857834 4-Sep-2017 07:47

MikeB4: The lead in this must come from NKs neighbours, that is, China, South Korea, Russia and Japan

SK was ok to talk, not now it seems. Japan doesnt want to know it just wants safety. Russia and China want the US out and what they have allowed to happen is ensuring the US doesnt get out. NK is a tool for Russia and China to keep the US away from its borders, but they have now ensured that the US will always be in the region. So we now have a modern day Asian Middle East situation that will never go away

or, NK removes its nuclear, US agrees to officially end the Korean War and they move out as there is now no nuclear threat. NO AID is given. NK can be recognised as a legitimate nation, sanctions removed, NK can then seek its third goal of improving their economy, Russia and China can pay for that

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#1857835 4-Sep-2017 07:51

MikeB4: The lead in this must come from NKs neighbours, that is, China, South Korea, Russia and Japan

Actually yes, if the US goes fully silent. The US takes the attitude that we are here to stay, no need for talks, just keep the military ready, let the others sort it out. If the others come up with a peaceful non nuclear solution, yeah, we will talk. And there will be no aid or reward from us, thats for sure.

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#1857836 4-Sep-2017 07:53

Too late for all that. Screw China and Russia for allowing things to get this bad. USa has very strong allies that it must protect via treaties (SK and Japan). It is the US, Japan and SK that will determine what happens next and it has passed words. 5 years of heavy attempts at words have failed. NK just wont listen to reason and that has to be the largest warning that NK will strike first, and it will be soon.

First step is for US to bonb NK side of China to destroy all supply lines form China, using conventional bombing. This needs to happen now before NK can launch anything. Hopefully the effect of this would be to force NK to the table.

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#1857840 4-Sep-2017 08:01

Pumpedd:

Too late for all that. Screw China and Russia for allowing things to get this bad. USa has very strong allies that it must protect via treaties (SK and Japan). It is the US, Japan and SK that will determine what happens next and it has passed words. 5 years of heavy attempts at words have failed. NK just wont listen to reason and that has to be the largest warning that NK will strike first, and it will be soon.

First step is for US to bonb NK side of China to destroy all supply lines form China, using conventional bombing. This needs to happen now before NK can launch anything. Hopefully the effect of this would be to force NK to the table.

I cant agree. Id leave it at status quo. Russia and China have messed up big time, its now a stalemate, there wont be a non nuclear peace happening. The US wont be going anywhere. They have messed it up, so they can live with the tensions year in and year out. If NK wants the US out and to push ahead with the economy, that wont happen either. Good job Russia and China.

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#1857841 4-Sep-2017 08:01

Pumpedd:
Too late for all that. Screw China and Russia for allowing things to get this bad. USa has very strong allies that it must protect via treaties (SK and Japan). It is the US, Japan and SK that will determine what happens next and it has passed words. 5 years of heavy attempts at words have failed. NK just wont listen to reason and that has to be the largest warning that NK will strike first, and it will be soon.

First step is for US to bonb NK side of China to destroy all supply lines form China, using conventional bombing. This needs to happen now before NK can launch anything. Hopefully the effect of this would be to force NK to the table.

China has repeatedly said a first strike on NK by the US would not be tolerated Even SK has repeatedly said no to that. It would end extremely badly.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1857843 4-Sep-2017 08:04

Pumpedd:

This needs to happen now before NK can launch anything. Hopefully the effect of this would be to force NK to the table.

It's quite possible they can, now. They might not be able to hit the US, but they have by some estimates hundreds of Scud-derivative short range missiles which are fully capable of hitting Seoul. Their new warhead might still be a bit heavy and the reentry vehicles not good enough for an ICBM but they may be able to put one on a short range rocket.

The photo from earlier this week of Kim inspecting a peanut-shaped metal case shows something consistent with what is publicly known about staged weapons, and yesterday's test pretty much confirms it works.

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#1857848 4-Sep-2017 08:17

SaltyNZ:

Pumpedd:

This needs to happen now before NK can launch anything. Hopefully the effect of this would be to force NK to the table.

It's quite possible they can, now. They might not be able to hit the US, but they have by some estimates hundreds of Scud-derivative short range missiles which are fully capable of hitting Seoul. Their new warhead might still be a bit heavy and the reentry vehicles not good enough for an ICBM but they may be able to put one on a short range rocket.

The photo from earlier this week of Kim inspecting a peanut-shaped metal case shows something consistent with what is publicly known about staged weapons, and yesterday's test pretty much confirms it works.

If that was a USA vs NK war, but it will be a Russia/China/NK vs USA, SK, Japan war. We dont want that

Russia/China/NK have boxed themselves into a corner where the US will stay forever, and NK's goals according to Christiane Amanpour, are to 1, retain the regime, 2. be a recognised nation, and 3. Improve the economy. 2 and 3 wont happen. So while he has played hardball, you can look at it that he has removed the goals that he supposedly wants, and removed the goal Russia and China want, the US to leave. Thats another way to look at it, and for the US just to keep quiet and let them stew on it and live with it, or for once, do something about it

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#1857876 4-Sep-2017 09:24

Trump has blamed the situation on 'appeasment' by South Korea. Mattis has stated there will be a massive response to any threat. It's not particularly clear what a threat is, but all the same it's a serious statement. Trump's statement is likely an indication that South Korea is still trying to talk Trump down and get him to do something sensible. Trump has already indicated elsewhere that he places little value on South Korean lives in the event of conflict breaking out. The US military has a free hand to a large degree with no president at the wheel. This is not a good situation.

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#1857877 4-Sep-2017 09:26

MikeB4:
Wiggum:

Its time to send in the troops and put an end to it.

An invasion would would be a disaster, even Trump is not that stupid and his Defense chiefs would advise against that. I guess it's easy to be gung-ho in the relative safety of NZ

Further to this, if the US were to try a land operation they would be up against approximately (North Korean only).....

200 Divisions of Regular Forces

500 Divisions of Reserve Forces

18 Divisions of Specials.

5,000 Tanks

8,000 Artillery Pieces

4,000 Multiple launch rocket launchers

+/- 500 Fighters

+/- 80 Bombers

Add to that unknown numbers of Tactical and Strategic Nuclear weapons and assistance for other nations.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1857878 4-Sep-2017 09:28

Wiggum:
Its time to send in the troops and put an end to it.

That will only be a beginning. War is not the best solution to this issue. How many Americans, South Koreans, North Koreans, and very likely Chinese also, do you want to see killed?

Better Do you want to go yourself? Do you want to send your children?

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#1857916 4-Sep-2017 09:56

tdgeek:

Thats what NK wants, the the US is the bad guy, even though its the NK that is the bad guy. If China and Russia are happy to have a nuclear NK, as they have stated everyone might need to accept, the US is staying in the region. They want the US out and a NK that we have today is the exact opposite way to get them out

Put an end to it? It will be a multi nation war, with potential nuclear fallout across the northern hemisphere

The US out of NK means SK is invaded. Don't you believe the US should be protecting its alies?

Unfortunately a war is looming anyway. Doing nothing is not an option. I would much rather see a huge war, where NK is on the defensive, and war happens inside NK, instead of leaving things to fester, resulting in a bigger blowout with NK on the attack with SK, Japan the US etc.

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An invasion would would be a disaster, even Trump is not that stupid and his Defence chiefs would advise against that. I guess it's easy to be gung-ho in the relative safety of NZ

I agree. But an attack from NK would be more of a disaster. I don't believe its right to site back and wait for an attack. An attack from NK is imminent, and its coming.

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China has repeatedly said a first strike on NK by the US would not be tolerated Even SK has repeatedly said no to that. It would end extremely badly.

China has little to lose if things go pear shaped between the US and NK. China can basically throw its whole economy out of the window of they decide to defend NK. China can't afford that.

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#1857933 4-Sep-2017 10:06

North Korea isn't going to suddenly invade South Korea just because the US moves everyone out. For one thing, South Korea isn't exactly defenseless, and for another the US would come straight back, as would everyone else, and I think that at that point even China might send in some special forces to personally express their disappointment directly to Kim Jong Un's head.

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#1857936 4-Sep-2017 10:10

The US and World economy is closely tied to that of South Korea and China. If this were to turn to a hot war even if it remained regional the US and World economy would go into a tail spin.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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