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#2878012 3-Mar-2022 07:26

Eva888:Judging by the videos the last lot weren’t exactly, bring them home to meet the parents material. One sartorially elegant fellow was wearing a faux fur pussycat onesie with ears.

Funnily enough the heroes saving New Zealand for white people vanished to carry on their livestreams. It’s almost like they were cowardly scum.

This was largely inevitable after the first week. It’s funny how Palestinian protests can get rid of the romper stomper element but this lot of fine upstanding citizens couldn’t mange it.

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#2878013 3-Mar-2022 07:33

Part of me wonders whether the response to this kind of thing needs to be using our exiting channels like Maori TV/TVNZ going beyond merely offering online streaming and actually generating content specifically for streaming through social media sites etc, at the very least a simulcast so they're operating in that space.

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#2878016 3-Mar-2022 07:46

GV27:
Part of me wonders whether the response to this kind of thing needs to be using our exiting channels like Maori TV/TVNZ going beyond merely offering online streaming and actually generating content specifically for streaming through social media sites etc, at the very least a simulcast so they're operating in that space.

It’s not a bad idea. I wonder if the usual suspects would palm it off as MSM propaganda.

You already see right wingers on here bitching about “the government winding up the fear.” The loss of rationality and any semblance of good faith is the most disturbing thing for me.

I don’t doubt the government have made huge mistakes during the pandemic, as have every government in the world. I also think the majority of government leaders in NZ and abroad have done what they thought was the right thing in the circumstances. In many cases it wasn’t “right” but the assumption of sinister motives feeds this conspiracy crap more than anything else.

I really don’t know how western society gets past this.

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#2878019 3-Mar-2022 07:57

Handle9:

I really don’t know how western society gets past this.

There seems to be a bit of a fatal flaw in the idea of free speech in that some people think that because they have a right to say what they think, what they think has to be observed and complied with.

If they don't get what they want, they've somehow been infringed upon inhumanely. What's far more likely is 'What you think didn't happen because you're a Grade-A moron and you don't know how to find your arse with both hands'.

My absolute favourite example of cognitive dissonance during this whole thing was the banner about deaths from the Covid vaccine, linking to a Medsafe report as evidence of the deaths and showing there was some sort of cover-up... by the medical regulator publishing the data you're citing as evidence of someone covering it up.

Most conspiracies generally don't show their working, so to speak, but here we are in the post-Pizzagate era.

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#2878022 3-Mar-2022 08:02

That's right, "freedom of speech" I'm totally fine with, but that does not also equate to "freedom of consequence" [for your speech].

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#2878110 3-Mar-2022 09:55

Power of the Metaverse, to make small 'nano minorities' think they are a majority.
The ability of unsocialmedia to allow someone to silo themselves so completely.
Then to radicalize in the way that ISIS managed to turn people.

Aside from the ability of Brian Tamaki and other USA style Evangelical/Pentecostal to mobilize Profits.

Without the free meals for a month and funding of infrastructure
It was serious money that changed it from a one day affair like past protests, and not just a mass of peoples $10 donations.

Red Stag, which has business interests in forestry, timber, property development, and tourism, is helping to fund the protesters' efforts.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462031/protest-funder-wants-border-quarantine-system-shelved

The Rich-Lister financiers of this that ACT's David Seymour secretly met with, plus a few others much more shy.
They will never donate to restore the streets of Wellington or compensate businesses for their losses.

A small sushi shop owner having to deal with vandalism, cleaning piss from his shopfront.
In the past only having invasion of occasional penguin.

Financier's will never be bought to take responsibility for what they have wrought, while the useful idiots make their way through court.

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#2878198 3-Mar-2022 10:57

Many people seem to be assuming that, just because the occupation has ended, these people are going to just disappear into the ether and we will never hear from them again.

Given that the protest was a combination of extremist groups and naive people begging to be radicalised, I think we have much bigger challenges to come. Looking overseas, crude improvised terrorist attacks such as random street stabbings and driving vehicles into crowds have become increasingly prevalent. When I was in France a few years ago the police all carried large guns, subways were cluttered with public awareness posters on how to react to a terrorist attack, and I couldn't get into any museum or shopping mall without passing through a metal detector.

In the coming months and years we are going to see things that a lot of people never thought we would ever see in New Zealand.

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#2878199 3-Mar-2022 11:00

alasta:

In the coming months and years we are going to see things that a lot of people never thought we would ever see in New Zealand.

Agreed, given the numbers and the rhetoric, a 1% nutbar factor in a crowd of 500 is still 5 radicalised nutbars dumb enough to try something high-profile in the coming months/years.

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#2878201 3-Mar-2022 11:03

GV27:

alasta:

In the coming months and years we are going to see things that a lot of people never thought we would ever see in New Zealand.

Agreed, given the numbers and the rhetoric, a 1% nutbar factor in a crowd of 500 is still 5 radicalised nutbars dumb enough to try something high-profile in the coming months/years.

Totally. Politicians seem to be quick to point out that our society is not fracturing because these people only make up a very small proportion of society. This is misguided in my view because it doesn't matter what proportion of the population they represent - what really matters is the impact that they have.

The mosque attacker was only one individual and look at the utterly tragic carnage that he managed to cause.

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#2878202 3-Mar-2022 11:05

Numbers also don't tell the story anymore when it's so easy for these minority groups all over the world to connect and reinforce each other's beliefs.

Suspect the SIS has been working overtime in the TGs and Signal rooms of the world of idiots these last few years.

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#2878279 3-Mar-2022 12:19

Apparently protesters in the Domain in Auckland have decamped to fight another day ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300531344/antimandate-protesters-agree-to-leave-auckland-domain

Hopefully Christchurch and Picton can also be free of this oppression and have its parks back.

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#2878286 3-Mar-2022 12:28

Handle9:
GV27:

Well that's that then. That could have gotten really stupid with idiots lighting fires. Hopefully the Police have some nice hi-res video of them and they get a visit from them in due course, because a sea of nylon is the dumbest place you can imagine to start a fire.

Chantelle Baker and the other assorted media stars were good enough to provide evidence for the police. It’s very kind of them.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/03-03-2022/when-misinformation-spreads-like-fire

Oh no, in her telling the Police started the fire, not her or the protesters. She has 100% "proof".

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#2878304 3-Mar-2022 13:08

quickymart
Drinking too much of the 100% proof does no one any good. Cheers ...

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#2878323 3-Mar-2022 14:08

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#2878393 3-Mar-2022 16:09

ezbee:

Apparently protesters in the Domain in Auckland have decamped to fight another day ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300531344/antimandate-protesters-agree-to-leave-auckland-domain

Hopefully Christchurch and Picton can also be free of this oppression and have its parks back.

Most of the CHCH protestors will be off to the coast to get some supplies in soon anyway.

Calling Cramner square a park is stretching it a bit far, it is just a hunk of grass with a couple of concrete paths through it.

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