sen8or:

Seems Brian Tamaki has picked a side

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brian-tamakis-wellington-protest-pro-israel-and-pro-palestine-protesters-to-face-off/JMN4OLPXLFCWPPPAPYHLKYRAHA/

Not sure if that is good or bad news though for NZers views on Israel......

gzt: UN secretary-general invokes article 99

 

That's a joke. No action on Ukraine, which is ongoing for almost two years.

kingdragonfly: Assuming all of Hammas kidnapped victims are killed, this war will easily exceed a 10 to 1 kill ratio in Gaza.

Can either side get more brutal? I'm sure they'll be thinking of new ways for the centuries to come.

Meir David HaKohen Kahane was an American-born Israeli ordained Orthodox rabbi, writer, and ultra-nationalist politician who served one term in Israel's Knesset before being convicted of acts of terrorism.

"Love has its place, as does hate. Peace has its place, as does war. Mercy has its place, as do cruelty and revenge."

Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture

"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world."

somehow i don't think the IDF will stop, they obviously want vengeance for these

gzt: The security council is basically a council of military superpowers. When a superpower wants to continue a war - the security council can't agree on stopping it. In other cases it can explore possibilities for peace.

Or when a permanent members President needs the votes of people who support the country who is the aggressor in the war.

Batman: somehow i don't think the IDF will stop, they obviously want vengeance for these

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl/index.html 

kingdragonfly: 

Someone has to stop the endless vengeance loop, or it'll become the sci-fi meme of the last two survivors trying to kill each other, but have both forgotten why they are fighting.

well in this sense they have been fighting for 6000 years

Batman:

 

well in this sense they have been fighting for 6000 years (?)

 

Um, neither have existed as such for 6000 years.

Batman: well in this sense they have been fighting for 6000 years

Gods with different names, same fights.

All the religions in the area owe their origins to same base.
Stories taken from Babylonians who took them from earlier Mesopotamia.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/feb/11/noahs-ark-round-ancient-british-museum-mesopotamian-clay-tablets-flood

""
Irving Finkel, curator of the British Museum's 130,000 Mesopotamian clay tablets, has spent 20 years investigating one that challenges the story of Noah and the flood
""
The mobile phone-sized ark tablet is housed in a posh-looking red box with "Instructions on the Building of the Ark" written on it. Finkel takes the tablet out of the box and lets me hold it – a chance to commune with the ghosts of ancient Mesopotamia. I manage not to drop it. As well as casting new light on the shape of the original ark, it also contains the first written allusion to the animals "going in two by two".
""

The very model of a crusty old curator? :-) 

Irving Finkel | The Ark Before Noah: A Great Adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fkpZSnz2I

The 1000's of years of Egyptian Kings and Queens and their gods left their mark as well.
Mix them all up with common superstitions of all peoples. 

All religion ...
Religion is just Politics by another means, just like war.
Its the same thing, you are a ruler who needs to bolster your rule, gods are pretty handy. 

Some are just stories to tell around the campfire, before mass printing of books.
Ancient versions of Tom Clancy, Stephen King and Mills and Boon.

Of course just saying this in certain places gets you killed. 

The area the IDF now suggest that 2 million Palestinians move to is the same size as Heathrow airport.

Of course the difference between the IDF safe zone and Heathrow is that you can get food, water, medical assistance and shelter at Heathrow.

And you won't get bombed.

Insightful article from the BBC's Jeremy Bowen.

Israel-Gaza: The status quo is smashed. The future is messy and dangerous - BBC News

The discussions I hear on the BBC around putting pressure on Israel never seem to mention the fact the Netanyahu is only in power because of the support of extreme right wing fanatics.

He would be out of power and potentially facing prison time if they removed their support for the government so there is no way Israel is going to stop until these lunatics say it's OK.

And their stated objective is to remove all Palestinians from the land they currently occupy in Gaza and the West Bank and they really don't care if that is dead or alive.