Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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Paul1977

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#2600379 9-Nov-2020 11:20

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It seems clear to everyone except Trump himself that he has no path to victory.

He has the opportunity to do one decent thing in his Presidency, and concede gracefully. It's not too late for him to do that. But I doubt he will.

The best thing for America is that he concedes, disappears from then politics completely. And even if state and federal prosecutors have been holding out for him to lose the presidency to prosecute, I think that would just further divide the country. If they have evidence, the best thing for the country would be to strike a quiet deal with him to not prosecute in exchange for him completely removing himself from politics and social media.

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#2600382 9-Nov-2020 11:26

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Paul1977:

It seems clear to everyone except Trump himself that he has no path to victory.

He has the opportunity to do one decent thing in his Presidency, and concede gracefully. It's not too late for him to do that. But I doubt he will.

The best thing for America is that he concedes, disappears from then politics completely. And even if state and federal prosecutors have been holding out for him to lose the presidency to prosecute, I think that would just further divide the country. If they have evidence, the best thing for the country would be to strike a quiet deal with him to not prosecute in exchange for him completely removing himself from politics and social media.

ONLY if he does not pardon his "helpers" (including his family), nor take unwarranted revenge on his detractors.

Trump himself can still cause a LOT of damage between now and January 20th. He MUST be stopped from using a scorched earth approach to his final days.

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#2600424 9-Nov-2020 11:39

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Sideface:

Bush is smarter than Trump.

Trump is the president who made people forget how bad Bush was. And yes, Bush is smarter. The bush my cat pees on is smarter. And much more honest. Gosh it feels good to put the knife in!

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#2600426 9-Nov-2020 11:44

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ONLY if he does not pardon his "helpers" (including his family), nor take unwarranted revenge on his detractors.

Trump himself can still cause a LOT of damage between now and January 20th. He MUST be stopped from using a scorched earth approach to his final days.

I agree with your first line, but how exactly can he legally be stopped in reality? If it was possible to neuter him, then it would have happened by now. There is no change in the constitution at the election that gives anyone special powers.

He will do what he can, and Biden will undo as much of it as he deems necessary if he can. Don't forget the House and Senate are split and the senate is Republican

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#2600429 9-Nov-2020 12:01

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According to stories that may or may not be true, when Nixon was drunk and raging, his aides took (presumably unconstitutional) measures to keep him away from the nuke button. There are people in the White House who might well do technically illegal things to protect Trump from himself and keep him from doing something we all would regret.

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#2600431 9-Nov-2020 12:13

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Rikkitic:

According to stories that may or may not be true, when Nixon was drunk and raging, his aides took (presumably unconstitutional) measures to keep him away from the nuke button. There are people in the White House who might well do technically illegal things to protect Trump from himself and keep him from doing something we all would regret.

Right, as they did all the other times for the last 3.5 years? As you said, Nixon stories were unverified, I'm surprised you bothered to reference them at all.

He will leave the WH peacefully, he won't touch the Nukes, but I expect him to do whatever he can to benefit himself and his party between now and then. You will find most Presidents did the same previously, but with far less attention garnered for it.

Trump has shown he cares about himself, his family and the Republicans of the United States.

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#2600433 9-Nov-2020 12:22

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Trump has shown he cares about himself.

Fixed that for you.

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#2600436 9-Nov-2020 12:30

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Paul1977:

And even if state and federal prosecutors have been holding out for him to lose the presidency to prosecute, I think that would just further divide the country. If they have evidence, the best thing for the country would be to strike a quiet deal with him to not prosecute in exchange for him completely removing himself from politics and social media.

I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you there. Quietly letting the bad guys go for the sake of 'healing' has been the norm since Nixon and every time it happens, the next lot of bad guys are worse because they know there will be no consequences. Bill Barr covered up Iran Contra and is now Trump's AG, and Oliver North is a Fox News host. Cheney and Bush (and Blair) started a war based on a lie so they could profit off the destruction, and now you can book them as your keynote speaker.

It needs to end. What the nation - indeed, the world - needs to see is that the criminals will be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Justice needs to be done, and justice needs to be seen to be done.

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#2600444 9-Nov-2020 12:42

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Paul1977: The best thing for America is that he concedes, disappears from then politics completely. And even if state and federal prosecutors have been holding out for him to lose the presidency to prosecute, I think that would just further divide the country. If they have evidence, the best thing for the country would be to strike a quiet deal with him to not prosecute in exchange for him completely removing himself from politics and social media.

He going to be cash-strapped when leaving the White House. I'm sure any number of TV show proposals are already being offered.

And even if Trump dies, there's a number of his kids we'll have to contend with.

As far as justice, the rule of law ensures order, even if it is painful in the short term.

Would it benefit the world for future Presidential candidates to emulate Trump? I'm sure many suffering under various despots world-wide would disagree.

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#2600481 9-Nov-2020 13:51

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SaltyNZ: I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you there. Quietly letting the bad guys go for the sake of 'healing' has been the norm since Nixon and every time it happens, the next lot of bad guys are worse because they know there will be no consequences. Bill Barr covered up Iran Contra and is now Trump's AG, and Oliver North is a Fox News host. Cheney and Bush (and Blair) started a war based on a lie so they could profit off the destruction, and now you can book them as your keynote speaker.

It needs to end. What the nation - indeed, the world - needs to see is that the criminals will be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Justice needs to be done, and justice needs to be seen to be done.

Fair enough. But how do you do it when almost half the country will believe it's a witch trial?

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#2600482 9-Nov-2020 13:52

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Enablers to the end. Jared is of crouse the little snivelling worm he's always been.

New York Times: As Biden Plans Transition, Republicans Decline to Recognize His Election

Former President George W. Bush and a handful of other Republicans congratulated the president-elect, but most party leaders stayed quiet or urged President Trump to fight.

...more than 24 hours after his election had been declared, the vast majority of Republicans declined to offer the customary statements of good will for the victor that have been standard after American presidential contests, as Mr. Trump defied the results and vowed to forge ahead with long-shot lawsuits to try to overturn them....

...Republicans’ silence suggested that even in defeat, Mr. Trump maintained a powerful grip on his party and its elected leaders, who have spent four years tightly embracing him or quietly working to avoid offending or his loyal base. For many prominent Republicans, the president’s reluctance to accept the election results created a dilemma, making even the most cursory expression of support for Mr. Biden seem like a conspicuous break with Mr. Trump.

...At the White House, there was little indication that Mr. Trump was dealing with it at all. As he played a second consecutive day of golf at his private club outside Washington, the president recirculated a groundless claim by Newt Gingrich, the former Republican speaker of the House, who told Fox News, “I think that it is a corrupt, stolen election.”

...Privately, the president’s advisers, several of whom have quietly been candid with Mr. Trump that the chances of success in any challenge to the election outcome were not high, had concluded they had little option other than to allow the president to keep fighting until he was ready to bow to the reality of his loss.

...After another meeting at Mr. Trump’s campaign headquarters on Saturday, where political aides laid out the small chances of changing the outcome of the race, Jared Kushner, the president’s senior adviser and son-in-law, asked the group to go to the White House to outline it for Mr. Trump, according to people briefed on the meeting.

Campaign officials continued to discuss their legal strategy for challenging the election results on Sunday, and named Representative Doug Collins of Georgia, who lost his bid for a Senate seat on Tuesday, to lead their recount effort in the state...

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#2600490 9-Nov-2020 14:06

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SaltyNZ: I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you there. Quietly letting the bad guys go for the sake of 'healing' has been the norm since Nixon and every time it happens, the next lot of bad guys are worse because they know there will be no consequences. Bill Barr covered up Iran Contra and is now Trump's AG, and Oliver North is a Fox News host. Cheney and Bush (and Blair) started a war based on a lie so they could profit off the destruction, and now you can book them as your keynote speaker.

It needs to end. What the nation - indeed, the world - needs to see is that the criminals will be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Justice needs to be done, and justice needs to be seen to be done.

Fair enough. But how do you do it when almost half the country will believe it's a witch trial?

There was a huge swing to remove Trump, Republics voted him out, they voted Biden then took the GOP option for the Senate, thats a classic I am a Republican but you have to go. His fan/atics are out there, but its clear from the celebrations and lack of predicted riots, that he has worn them down as well as everyone else.

So half aren't Trump fans, and going by Fox News he is bleeding allies. If he followed tradition he would be prime for 2024 to go for that, thats already history, he has tainted himself out of US politics

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#2600496 9-Nov-2020 14:19

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There was a huge swing to remove Trump, Republics voted him out, they voted Biden then took the GOP option for the Senate, thats a classic I am a Republican but you have to go. His fan/atics are out there, but its clear from the celebrations and lack of predicted riots, that he has worn them down as well as everyone else.

So half aren't Trump fans, and going by Fox News he is bleeding allies. If he followed tradition he would be prime for 2024 to go for that, thats already history, he has tainted himself out of US politics

I think that's overstating it.

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Paul1977:

tdgeek:

There was a huge swing to remove Trump, Republics voted him out, they voted Biden then took the GOP option for the Senate, thats a classic I am a Republican but you have to go. His fan/atics are out there, but its clear from the celebrations and lack of predicted riots, that he has worn them down as well as everyone else.

So half aren't Trump fans, and going by Fox News he is bleeding allies. If he followed tradition he would be prime for 2024 to go for that, thats already history, he has tainted himself out of US politics

I think that's overstating it.

Agreed.

68 Million people voted for Trump. I think he will lose the election (thankfully), but I have no issue with him waiting to see if his legal avenues and recounts pan out. They won't, but I think he is due to the same process the Democrats would want in the reverse situation. Regardess of the process, even if that takes a little time (most of the legal issues will be squashed pretty quickly as the first few were), no change will be occuring for 71 days. It won't change what Biden does. He will prepare himself and his team to take over on Jan 20, 2021.

It's a little like that phrase, I despise what you are saying, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. I dislike his choice to not concede, to start a bunch of legal fights, but it's *legal* and he should be allowed to try.

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Paul1977:

tdgeek:

There was a huge swing to remove Trump, Republics voted him out, they voted Biden then took the GOP option for the Senate, thats a classic I am a Republican but you have to go. His fan/atics are out there, but its clear from the celebrations and lack of predicted riots, that he has worn them down as well as everyone else.

So half aren't Trump fans, and going by Fox News he is bleeding allies. If he followed tradition he would be prime for 2024 to go for that, thats already history, he has tainted himself out of US politics

I think that's overstating it.

Biden is liable to get 306 seats the same that Trump had. Trump lost the popular vote when he won, Biden has the popular vote when he won

Thats a big swing.

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