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#2601538 11-Nov-2020 09:33

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Brace yourselves. The next Donald Trump could be much worse.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

I doubt the GOP will be looking at a non traditional option again, once bitten...

They will take on anyone who will see them in power again. A populous right-wing worse than Trump would be perfectly OK by them.

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#2601542 11-Nov-2020 09:42

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Ignore this "joke" at your peril ...

The Independant (UK) - Mike Pompeo says there will be a ‘smooth transition to second Trump administration’

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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said there would be a “smooth transition to a second Trump administration” just days after the presidential election was projected to be won by Joe Biden. *

Mr Pompeo made the comments when asked by reporters if the State Department was engaging with the Biden transition team.

The statement was followed by a stilted laugh, so it is unclear if he was speaking in serious reference to the Trump administration’s legal challenges to the election, or in an attempt at humor.

“We’re ready, the world is watching what’s taking place,” he said in follow-up.

* EDIT This comment was recorded on video - just follow the link (above).

Not ignoring it. Preparing for 4 more years now!

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#2601546 11-Nov-2020 09:48

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I doubt the GOP will be looking at a non traditional option again, once bitten...

If not for Covid Trump would have gotten a second term. A more competent and charismatic "Trump" could easily be something the Republicans go for. Trump was neither an aberration or a fluke, the fact the this election has been close is proof of that. Populism isn't going anywhere, and the Democrats need to step up their game if they want to keep the White House in 2024.

If nothing else, Trump's presidency has set an extremely frightening precedent.

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#2601556 11-Nov-2020 10:05

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If not for Covid Trump would have gotten a second term. A more competent and charismatic "Trump" could easily be something the Republicans go for. Trump was neither an aberration or a fluke, the fact the this election has been close is proof of that. Populism isn't going anywhere, and the Democrats need to step up their game if they want to keep the White House in 2024.

If nothing else, Trump's presidency has set an extremely frightening precedent.

Covid is an opinion, not fact. I think it was 3 or 4 on the list on hot topics for voters.

They chose Trump, so they must have felt he was capable at the very minimum. Another wealthy person may also fail them unless its a Gates or Buffet type

Close election? Biden is heading for 306, that makes Trump 233, so not close at all

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#2601558 11-Nov-2020 10:06

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Brace yourselves. The next Donald Trump could be much worse.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

I doubt the GOP will be looking at a non traditional option again, once bitten...

The GOP has done very nicely under this President. They won't see this as a failure, even with only 4 Years. It will be a genuine fight for a second term for Biden. The US is very very divided. As evidenced by 70M votes for Trump, people are quite happy to ignore Trumps personality as a means to an end. It's genuinely shocking to me to see people outside of the US playing down his 70M popular votes. Whilst the electoral college determines the person in the whitehouse, don't underestimate that not *much* less than half the people wanted another 4 years of what has gone before.

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#2601565 11-Nov-2020 10:29

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Covid is an opinion, not fact. I think it was 3 or 4 on the list on hot topics for voters.

They chose Trump, so they must have felt he was capable at the very minimum. Another wealthy person may also fail them unless its a Gates or Buffet type

Close election? Biden is heading for 306, that makes Trump 233, so not close at all

It is opinion, but it's one I staunchly believe.

The electoral college system can make a close race look like a landslide. Many states were only won my relatively small numbers. Theoretically it's possible to have 538:0 for electoral votes, with a popular vote of 51%:49%.

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#2601569 11-Nov-2020 10:36

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It is opinion, but it's one I staunchly believe.

The electoral college system can make a close race look like a landslide. Many states were only won my relatively small numbers. Theoretically it's possible to have 538:0 for electoral votes, with a popular vote of 51%:49%.

IIRC the three rust belt (blue wall) states were won by 10,000 10,000 and 50000 over the large population of those three states, in 2016.

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#2601584 11-Nov-2020 10:39

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The GOP has done very nicely under this President. They won't see this as a failure, even with only 4 Years. It will be a genuine fight for a second term for Biden. The US is very very divided. As evidenced by 70M votes for Trump, people are quite happy to ignore Trumps personality as a means to an end. It's genuinely shocking to me to see people outside of the US playing down his 70M popular votes. Whilst the electoral college determines the person in the whitehouse, don't underestimate that not *much* less than half the people wanted another 4 years of what has gone before.

Done very well? ok.

Depends how many voters voted for Trump as he is great, and how many had to vote for him as they vote Republican. Clearly the other option, Republican voters deciding to vote for Biden and not their own party of choice was also substantial. How the 70M is made up of the two former options, nobody has stated AFAIK

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#2601598 11-Nov-2020 10:52

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The Washington Post - ‘What’s the downside for humoring him?’: A GOP official’s unintentionally revealing quote about the Trump era

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When the history of the Trump era is written, we’ll struggle to find quotes that are as revealing as one recorded on Monday evening [by Washington Post reporters].

Speaking about President Trump’s and his legal team’s myriad and baseless claims of massive voter fraud, an anonymous senior Republican official offered a rhetorical shrug.

“What is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? No one seriously thinks the results will change,” the official said.
“He went golfing this weekend. It’s not like he’s plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power on Jan. 20.
"He’s tweeting about filing some lawsuits, those lawsuits will fail, then he’ll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he’ll leave.”

Indeed, what’s a little undermining of democracy between friends?

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#2601602 11-Nov-2020 10:54

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Done very well? ok.

Depends how many voters voted for Trump as he is great, and how many had to vote for him as they vote Republican. Clearly the other option, Republican voters deciding to vote for Biden and not their own party of choice was also substantial. How the 70M is made up of the two former options, nobody has stated AFAIK

@tdgeek your opinion over the past 4 years has always been the Trump's election was an abbreviation that would be corrected come the next election when democracy would correct course. I personally disagree. Yes, Trump is out - but not by anywhere near the margins you'd expect to correct an "aberration".

The problems that gave rise to Trump in the first place haven't gone anywhere, and the Republicans can now look at what worked about Trump and what didn't (as far as gaining and retaining power is concerned). Populism works, stoking peoples fears works, appealing to the worst nature in people works. There's no reason to think they, and their next candidate, won't simple refine this strategy.

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#2601617 11-Nov-2020 11:09

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It's genuinely shocking to me to see people outside of the US playing down his 70M popular votes. Whilst the electoral college determines the person in the whitehouse, don't underestimate that not *much* less than half the people wanted another 4 years of what has gone before.

I know! You say to people that Biden scraped in by the skin of his teeth, and that the US did not reject Trumpism in any meaningful way, and they come back with 'but Biden got 300 electoral college votes!' Well, yeah, because in most states it's winner take all so even if he wins by 1 vote the EC goes that way.

America isn't over Trump. None of the conditions that allowed him to rise to the presidency have changed. Most have gotten worse.

Biden has next to no chance of changing anything substantive, technically pending the Senate seat run-offs I suppose, so it's just four years of marking time till Trump 2.0 comes up in 2024.

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#2601621 11-Nov-2020 11:15

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Biden has next to no chance of changing anything substantive, technically pending the Senate seat run-offs I suppose, so it's just four years of marking time till Trump 2.0 comes up in 2024.

And even if the Senate does become a 50:50 split, Republicans can filibuster to stall anything from going through. You need a 60% majority to vote for ending the debate before it can even go to a vote on the actual passing the legislation. And in a filibuster they can talk about ANYTHING they want to - doesn't even need to be related to the issue they're meant to be debating.

The US system is messed up.

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#2601669 11-Nov-2020 12:00

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@tdgeek your opinion over the past 4 years has always been the Trump's election was an abbreviation that would be corrected come the next election when democracy would correct course. I personally disagree. Yes, Trump is out - but not by anywhere near the margins you'd expect to correct an "aberration".

The problems that gave rise to Trump in the first place haven't gone anywhere, and the Republicans can now look at what worked about Trump and what didn't (as far as gaining and retaining power is concerned). Populism works, stoking peoples fears works, appealing to the worst nature in people works. There's no reason to think they, and their next candidate, won't simple refine this strategy.

Well, the aberation started on twitter 4 yeats ago, and its still happening now. Was a non politician and a wealthy and successful businessman a good idea? I reckon so, why not. He was the wrong man, simple as that.

The problems haven't gone anywhere thats true, they have always been there, simmering away. When p[eople say the US is "now" divided, thats rubbish, its always been divided, but its not now simmering, its front and centre, Trump made it daily news. GOP can choose someone who is less over the top, less blatant, and soemone that all of their Senators are ok with, the latter is far from the position right now

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#2601681 11-Nov-2020 12:29

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Biden has next to no chance of changing anything substantive, technically pending the Senate seat run-offs I suppose, so it's just four years of marking time till Trump 2.0 comes up in 2024.

My call for 2024.

Ivanka Trump vs Kamala Harris

Harris will lose.

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#2601729 11-Nov-2020 12:39

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dafman:

My call for 2024.

Ivanka Trump vs Kamala Harris

Harris will lose.

Can you explain why?

My call is that the GOP nominees will be people that may or may not be politicians, but they won't have any Trump like behavioural issues. I feel that Trumps will not be there. Surely there are plenty of other GOP candidates that have plenty of capability?

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