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MikeAqua
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  #2601852 11-Nov-2020 14:36
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dafman:

 

he will still be very much there, tweeting away daily, appealing to his base regularly on TV

 

 

And in that respect he will be following the methodology (but clearly not the values) of Obama. 

 

Obama is the first president I can remember who has broken the unspoken convention that past presidents stay out of public politics and don't criticise current presidents.

 

Obama broke that convention by maintaining a public political profile and criticising Trump (albeit sub-textually most of the time).

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Obama. I understand that Trump would motivate breaking of conventions, and Trump was happy to lay into Obama (also something sitting presidents don't usually do).

 

But now that Obama has broken that convention, it's probably broken for good.





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  #2601858 11-Nov-2020 14:42
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Just saw a great point made on Trevor Noah's show: The Republicans can never impeach Biden, no matter what he does, because if they do then a black woman will become president.

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  #2601876 11-Nov-2020 14:57
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New York Times: The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud

The president and his allies have baselessly claimed that rampant voter fraud stole victory from him. Officials contacted by The Times said that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome.

...The New York Times contacted the offices of the top election officials in every state on Monday and Tuesday to ask whether they suspected or had evidence of illegal voting. Officials in 45 states responded directly to The Times. For four of the remaining states, The Times spoke to other statewide officials or found public comments from secretaries of state; none reported any major voting issues.

...Perhaps none of the Trump campaign’s claims received more attention than an allegation made over the weekend in Pennsylvania by Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer. On Saturday, Mr. Giuliani held a news conference in the parking lot of a Philadelphia landscaping company and claimed that the election in the city had been rife with fraud.

The office of the state’s top law enforcement official said that there was no evidence to support Mr. Giuliani’s claims, and that the election in the state was “fair and secure.”

...Some Republicans have even turned to lashing members of their own party who, in their eyes, did not show sufficient dedication to rooting out fraud. In Georgia, where Mr. Biden is leading, the two Republican senators from Georgia, Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, both of whom are in a runoff to gain re-election, have called for the resignation of the Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger. “The secretary of state has failed to deliver honest and transparent elections,” the senators said in a statement.

...In Washington, the losing Republican candidate for governor, Loren Culp, has disputed the Republican secretary of state’s determination that the election there was free of fraud. The secretary of state, Kim Wyman, has in turn challenged Mr. Culp, trailing by roughly 14 percentage points in the results, to produce evidence. “It’s just throwing grass at the fence at this point,” she said in an interview. “See what sticks.”

Democrats have more frequently been the target of criticism. Last week, the Republican leadership of the Pennsylvania state legislature called on Kathy Boockvar, the Democratic secretary of state, to step down. In Wisconsin, the Republican speaker of the Assembly announced he would form committees to investigate voter fraud in the wake of Mr. Biden’s narrow victory in the state, though there is no evidence of any. Republican lawmakers in Michigan on Saturday voted to issue subpoenas for documents in search of “election irregularities.”

Indeed, Republicans in all three “blue wall” states have initiated “investigations” or called for audits — which is redundant given the certification work already underway. Democrats say this is simply a way to undermine confidence in the results.

On Monday, the Trump campaign accelerated their legal efforts, filing a lawsuit in the seven Pennsylvania counties where the president lost that claimed mail voting created an unfair, “two-tiered” system during the election — though the system is also in place in counties the president won. The campaign also announced plans to file another suit in Michigan.

The president has kept up a barrage of Twitter posts with false claims about improprieties in Nevada and Pennsylvania, predicting he’d prevail in Georgia, where he is behind, and said Wisconsin “needs a little time statutorily,” though he offered no explanation for what he meant.

Nellie Gorbea, the Democratic secretary of state in Rhode Island, said the amount of attention on the election would make illegal voting extremely difficult. “It would be nearly impossible to do voter fraud in this election because of the number of people tuned in,” she said.

...Voting fraud in the United States is extremely rare. The irregularities that do occur are often inconsequential, isolated in nature, and unlikely to alter the outcome of an election. The most significant episode of election fraud over the past several years involved an alleged effort to manipulate ballots to benefit a Republican candidate for Congress in North Carolina, Mark Harris, in 2018. The scheme forced a new election and an operative who worked for Mr. Harris, L. McCrae Dowless, is under indictment. Mr. Harris was not charged with wrongdoing, and denied any role.

In the case of the 2020 election, Mr. Biden’s margins in the blue wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin are all in the tens of thousands. Even in Georgia, where Mr. Biden leads by more than 11,000 votes, it would be hard to uncover enough voting irregularities to change who won....


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  #2601877 11-Nov-2020 14:59
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neb: Just saw a great point made on Trevor Noah's show: The Republicans can never impeach Biden, no matter what he does, because if they do then a black woman will become president.


Given Biden's advanced age, and how incumbents almost always get a second term, I think we may see a black woman president through natural causes.

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  #2601880 11-Nov-2020 15:06
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Postal worker admits fabricating Trump-pushed claims of voter fraud in Pennsylvania

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-trump-pushed-claims-of-voter-fraud-in-pennsylvania-house-committee/ar-BB1aTukh

 

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A postal worker in Pennsylvania has admitted to making up explosive accusations about mail-in voting irregularities in the 2020 election that were picked up by supporters of President Trump as supposed evidence of fraud, according to congressional investigators.
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Apparently GOP donors gave him $130,000 on a Gofundme page thats been taken down.


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  #2601889 11-Nov-2020 15:18
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So it turns out Biden cannot be President or do any transition work until the GSA calls it. The GSA is not calling anything at the moment. The question is who controls the GSA...

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  #2601896 11-Nov-2020 15:27
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Batman: So it turns out Biden cannot be President or do any transition work until the GSA calls it. The GSA is not calling anything at the moment. The question is who controls the GSA...

 

Well, it certainly won't be the non Governing party. Maybe the wrong person is taking cases to courts? But its ok, only the world is watching, someone's reputation is rapidly going further down the toilet, not the best strategy for running in 2024


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  #2601903 11-Nov-2020 15:39
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tdgeek: someone's reputation is rapidly going further down the toilet, not the best strategy for running in 2024


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  #2601904 11-Nov-2020 15:39
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SJB:

 

Ivanka is a no-hoper. She has about as much personality as a cabbage and the hard right wingers hate her. Don Jr is loved by the right and has a bigger personality than Trump himself. He's the obvious candidate.

 

 

I dunno. Since he's Trumpier than Trump I think they'd be push back from a lot of the party. He'd appeal to the die hard Trump fans, but possibility not to the run-of-the-mill Republicans.

 

Ivanka may be hated by the hard right, but has far more chance at swinging undecided votes IMO than Don Jr. And the hard right will vote Republican no matter what. I haven't listened to her speak much, so couldn't comment on her personality (or possible lack thereof).


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  #2601906 11-Nov-2020 15:43
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Batman: So it turns out Biden cannot be President or do any transition work until the GSA calls it. The GSA is not calling anything at the moment. The question is who controls the GSA...

 

Good read here:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/general-services-administration-presidential-transition/

 

Emily Murphy, the GSA administrator, has declined to determine Mr. Biden is the likely next president and begin the transition process. Biden officials say that they are considering pursuing legal action if Murphy does not act in the coming days. Murphy is a Trump appointee and former Republican staffer on Capitol Hill, and has a reputation as a "diligent professional," according to The New York Times.

 

 

 

 


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  #2601908 11-Nov-2020 15:45
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So he controls the supreme Court, can pardon himself, sacks anyone that disagrees with him, and controls who calls the election.

4 more years!

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  #2601912 11-Nov-2020 15:50
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Batman: So he controls the supreme Court, can pardon himself, sacks anyone that disagrees with him, and controls who calls the election.

4 more years!

 

I almost think Americans deserve everything they get for setting up such a dumb system!

 

 





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  #2601916 11-Nov-2020 15:55
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It was OK for someone like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Kennedy.

Let's call Trump "stress test results: failed"

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  #2601919 11-Nov-2020 16:00
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  #2601923 11-Nov-2020 16:06
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MikeAqua:

 

But now that Obama has broken that convention, it's probably broken for good.

 

 

I think that's probably for the good too.

 

The US has had some awful presidents/administrations, some of them have been deified by re-writing history, ignoring enormous failings of their own making.  Nothing compares to Trump though.  GWB's "you're either with us or against us" may have been the start of a worsening, as it deliberately excluded / created enemies of critics - who were just as much "patriotic Americans" (maybe more so) as the war-hawks.  Now everybody seems to hate the other half, and Trump's exploited that hugely.


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