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#3031831 4-Feb-2023 18:08

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I agree pretty hard to go to Waitangi and speak and not have some political context.

Not sure if you think Ardern will be speaking based on this:

Former prime minister Jacinda Ardern was given special speaking rights at Waitangi.

I take that to mean she had previously been given speaking rights, not that she will speak this year. Not sure what purpose it would serve given she is no longer going to be an MP?

My bad, must have misread the skim read.

Waitangi Trust chairperson Pita Tipene said each party was free to pick their own spokesperson for the pōwhiri, but confirmed the special speaking slot which Ardern held would not be brought back this year.

It seems that they can speak Te Reo but not Politics, but they can speak politics in another forum/area at Waitangi. Chris Luxon will speak I guess in Te Reo and politically, But Chris Hipkins wont as he has other Maoridom engagements.

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#3031832 4-Feb-2023 18:10

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Hipkins is not speaking. Luxon is. Supposed to be not overly political, in te reo.

I think non political, but there is another forum/area that he/they can speak political on the day, but not on the main speeches.

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#3031833 4-Feb-2023 18:17

I was slightly perplexed to see the comments from Kelvin Davis that the PM isn't worried at all about speaking at Waitangi. That's a strange thing to admit IMO. I think I might have tried to spin that as 'was disappointed to find out he couldn't speak, but understands and accepts the reasons'

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#3031836 4-Feb-2023 18:27

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I was slightly perplexed to see the comments from Kelvin Davis that the PM isn't worried at all about speaking at Waitangi. That's a strange thing to admit IMO. I think I might have tried to spin that as 'was disappointed to find out he couldn't speak, but understands and accepts the reasons'

Agree. Its a bit spinny. Just saying such things is a subtle way of politicising it. Let it be, but no. I'll see what happens. In my view its quietly massaging politics into it. Whether that's just Labour and/or Maoridom showing their cards, unsure. Disclosure: Im not Maori but my 3 daughters have Maori blood and some relatives are Maori, Cook Islander, so I'm not oblivious of it.

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#3032325 5-Feb-2023 22:27

Those who continue to believe that the Herald is a right-leaning rag, should just pay attention to the way the Herald chose to pick the parts from each party's leaders in their headlines. Luxon (who was in no way trying to diminish the treaty) got a snippet about a 'little experiment' and Hipkins was "Hipkins urges Kiwis to not be afraid to discuss Maori-Crown relations;"

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#3033437 8-Feb-2023 14:09

Policy 'Bonfire' incoming at the post-cabinet meeting, with RNZ Merger and Employment Insurance set to be axed.

I didn't outrightly oppose the RNZ merger, but did have serious concerns with it's implementation and motivation (and particularly around it's oversight).

The Employment Insurance policy was the first out-of-the-box and slightly innovative and semi-original policy I had seen from Labour. There were some valid arguments against it, and not sure if the original policy plan would have survived unscathed even before it was ditched entirely.

I guess you could give credit to Hipkins for having the stones to kill them if they weren't going to achieve the outcomes, but how much money has been spent and why do Labour keep putting policies in place and plans in place that they never complete?

Some will see this as Labour turning over a new leaf, but is it really? With the exception of Ardern, the majority of people who came up with these plans and insisted throughout the time they have been questioned that they were going ahead, are still 'running' the country.

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#3033539 8-Feb-2023 14:48

More concerning is that Labour told us for months and months that these were good ideas. Now they are not good ideas? If so, what else have they told us that is wrong?

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#3033542 8-Feb-2023 14:55

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More concerning is that Labour told us for months and months that these were good ideas. Now they are not good ideas? If so, what else have they told us that is wrong?

In fairness, it may be that they are 'good' ideas, but they can't deliver them right now or in their current proposed state. I have an issue with the huge sunk cost, and the resources (people) expended that will basically be wasted, when those could have been used to execute other policies or money put into healthcare, or whatever.

The whole way through they have bitten off more than they could chew.

People might criticize National for not delivering 'much' but there weren't many policies they didn't deliver on, and I'll take 5 things that get done over 10 things that get promised that don't. What they did deliver was pretty life-changing for most people (UFB) and the Tunnel through Waterview.

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#3033543 8-Feb-2023 14:58

@rikkitic Will you now accept that experience absolutely is a big factor in the success of delivering policy (or projects)? That the lack of experience in Labours caucus was a key component in their failures to this point? I know you'll point at Covid as a major factor, but well before Covid, there were significant issues.

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#3033557 8-Feb-2023 15:36

johno1234:

More concerning is that Labour told us for months and months that these were good ideas. Now they are not good ideas? If so, what else have they told us that is wrong?

Especially the TVNZ-RNZ merger. Two Ministers (including the current one) peddling the story that this was a good idea. Many voices telling them it wasnt and yet forging ahead with the good idea that it was. The (now former) PM stating that it was important such that RNZ didnt lose its funding which highlighted a failure to understand how RNZ was currently funded.

And now its not a good idea, that RNZ and NZOnAir will get a funding boost instead. The amount of money wasted on this good idea could have just been funnelled into RNZ and NZOnAir instead of being splashed against the wall.

Social Insurance "off the table" until New Zealand saw a "significant improvement in economic conditions". A good idea at the wrong time or just not a good idea? At least it will now be able to be debated as an election issue.

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#3033634 8-Feb-2023 19:00

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@rikkitic Will you now accept that experience absolutely is a big factor in the success of delivering policy (or projects)? That the lack of experience in Labours caucus was a key component in their failures to this point? I know you'll point at Covid as a major factor, but well before Covid, there were significant issues.

You shouldn't call out individual posters in this manner. I can recall many times when National was going through its scheduled and regular leadership changes and other debacles, ONE example being Simons racist post when these threads were dead. National people laid low. Normal, no issue. No Labour people twisted the knife. But what I find odd is that Hipkins "bonfire" is really old news, yet now its news??? Should have been posted one day after his appointment when he clearly stated that some policies will be changed or removed and the media itemised those.

Waterview. An election year build, National didnt build it, they got a quote and signed it off and funded it, in election year. Bad? No, its good, but check the timing and feel free to correct if I am incorrect

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Based upon all this , election year is done and dusted already.

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#3033637 8-Feb-2023 19:16

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@rikkitic Will you now accept that experience absolutely is a big factor in the success of delivering policy (or projects)? That the lack of experience in Labours caucus was a key component in their failures to this point? I know you'll point at Covid as a major factor, but well before Covid, there were significant issues.

I lack the experience to comment on this matter.

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#3033643 8-Feb-2023 19:24

It bemuses me that the government gets pilloried here for its decisions, then gets pilloried for changing them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Critics, make up your damned minds!

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#3033645 8-Feb-2023 19:31

Rikkitic:

It bemuses me that the government gets pilloried here for its decisions, then gets pilloried for changing them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Critics, make up your damned minds!

Maybe the best option is to make no decisions...

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#3033662 8-Feb-2023 19:37

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Rikkitic:

It bemuses me that the government gets pilloried here for its decisions, then gets pilloried for changing them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Critics, make up your damned minds!

Maybe the best option is to make no decisions...

There you go! Labour was right all the time!

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