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  #2640676 23-Jan-2021 18:38
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neb:
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You need to read more further. Disney has acquired Fox's entertainment division.

 

Right, so as you say they've acquired Fox News.

 

 

Humourous post but let's make sure there's no misinformation/disinformaton here. From Wikipedia article:

 

"The acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney took place on March 20, 2019. Among other key assets, the acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney included the 20th Century Fox film and television studios, U.S. cable/satellite channels such as FX, Fox Networks Group, a 73% stake in National Geographic Partners, Indian television broadcaster Star India, and a 30% stake in Hulu. Immediately preceding the acquisition, 21st Century Fox spun off the Fox Broadcasting Company, Fox Television Stations, Fox News Channel, Fox Business, FS1, FS2, Fox Deportes, and the Big Ten Network into the newly formed Fox Corporation."




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  #2640692 23-Jan-2021 20:08
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neb:  It's not a movement, it's cynical selective virtue signalling. As long as Facebook and Twitter let politicians like Narendra Modi, who's incited far worse political riots than Trump did (the Gujarat riots alone left two thousand dead), have free reign on there, they're showing they don't care about the consequences of the content spread via their platforms. The moves on Trump in particular were mostly cynical dogpiling once it became obvious that he was in no position to retaliate any more, and Iran was the logical follow-on so they couldn't be accused of being partisan in the US.


 


It's certainly a clear example of a troubling trend: multinational corporations that have enough power to challenge states. Another current example: Google and Facebook threatening to remove themselves from the Australian internet because they don't want to pay for news. On the one hand, Murdoch and friends are warmly invited to eat a bag of unmentionables. But on the other ... well, I don't think we really want a giant company deciding what the law should be.




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  #2640701 23-Jan-2021 20:27
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AND AGAIN THE GOP CHICKENS OUT 


Prospects of convicting Trump erode as GOP grows vocal against Senate impeachment proceedings



Since many American politicians, and most Republicans, have long-term memory loss every time there's a gun related massacre, even when it frequently features white children, I'd expect the same pace of change as a concrete building block.

If it's not appointing a Supreme Court Justice in a week, or isn't in their backyard, they are mostly uninterested.

In a word: shameless.

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  #2640713 23-Jan-2021 21:27
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kingdragonfly: 

If it's not appointing a Supreme Court Justice in a week, or isn't in their backyard, they are mostly uninterested.

In a word: shameless.

 

When you have one toting around a gun and saying she wants to also wear it in the chamber.

 

Right to bear arms, what a bunch of complete self righteous cocks that will never learn.




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  #2640714 23-Jan-2021 21:28
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Even hairy horned insurrectionists feel screwed by Trump:

 

'With no presidential pardon in sight, the attorney for one of the most notorious rioters, the horned, shirtless QAnon follower Jake Angeli, says his client evidently regrets being "duped" by Trump, pushing the blame on the former POTUS who is now facing his second impeachment proceeding because of the deadly riot.'

 

 

 

 




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  #2640719 23-Jan-2021 22:08
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Gondor has no king

Seriously?




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  #2640721 23-Jan-2021 22:47
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freitasm: Gondor has no king

Seriously?

 

 

“Gondor has no king,” the lawsuit states, a footnote providing an explanation of the woeful fate of Tolkien’s entirely imaginary land populated by dragons, wizards, hobbits and elves, all threatened by a baleful Dark Lord backed up by an army of orcs and with famously little time for due democratic process.

 

 

The suit explains how Gondor’s throne was empty and its rightful kings in exile, presumably positing the idea that Trump is the true king of America – a land happily monarch-free since 1776.

 

 

Typical Trump supporters I'd say...

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  #2640728 24-Jan-2021 04:21
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New York Times: Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations at the top of the Justice Department would eclipse any attention on his baseless accusations of voter fraud. Mr. Trump’s decision came only after Mr. Rosen and Mr. Clark made their competing cases to him in a bizarre White House meeting that two officials compared with an episode of Mr. Trump’s reality show “The Apprentice,” albeit one that could prompt a constitutional crisis.
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  #2640735 24-Jan-2021 07:57
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freitasm: Gondor has no king Seriously?


Steve Bannon said in an 2017 interview "Hobbits and deplorables were key to Trump’s success. Everybody mocked them and ridiculed them, and now they’ve spoken"

Speaking of which

Bloomberg: Steve Bannon’s pardon complicates case against co-defendants

Donald Trump’s midnight pardon of Steve Bannon complicates the case against the three other men charged with using border-wall donations for personal expenses.

The former chief White House strategist was the highest-profile person accused by Manhattan federal prosecutors in August of defrauding people who gave $25 million to the nonprofit We Build the Wall Inc. ... Around $1 million of the money was used for travel and personal luxuries, including a Range Rover for Bannon.

...The pardon means the others are more likely cast Bannon as the architect of the scheme, experts said, knowing he can’t be harmed by their claims.

“If I were representing someone in that case, I would try to frame it as, ‘This is all Bannon’s doing,’
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The case may still prove tough for Bannon’s former co-defendants. ... The government had a large amount of evidence against the men, including emails and texts. Prosecutors could also summon Bannon to testify against them, though he could still invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination based on a hypothetical state prosecution. If he lies under oath, he can still be prosecuted for perjury.

But legal experts said any attempt to get Bannon to testify could be fraught for the government. While he could strengthen the case against the others, he might also prove a wild card for prosecutors, both in terms of what he says and how the jury reacts to him.

...“This is the kind of case that prosecutors call a paper case, in that the documents are so clear,” said Shugerman. “The witness adds color and detail to the paper” but isn’t strictly necessary.


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  #2641389 25-Jan-2021 09:08
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Vanity Fair : “We all could use a vacation after that”: Jared and Ivanka are planning some much-needed time off after wrecking the country

Billionaire Ron Burkle offered Javanka the use of one of his vacation homes at a private ski club, but, with COVID protocols and the spotlight, the property objected. So they’re heading to Florida—where else?—instead.

Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump were planning a vacation. They’d spent the last four years in the West Wing, and a year before that on the campaign trail. It’s not that they didn’t go on vacation while they served as senior advisers to her father, former president Donald Trump. They did—early on, to Aspen after the failed attempt to overturn Obamacare and then to the posh Twin Farms in Vermont following the Charlottesville riots. They vacationed on horseback in Wyoming and on the beach in Florida.

This holiday would be different, though. They wouldn’t be coming back to Washington, at least not in any official capacity. Her father had lost, despite his efforts to overturn a free and fair election. He had whipped up his supporters and, through tweets and rallies to which Ivanka accompanied him, incited them to stage an insurrection. State attorneys general discussed postpresidency investigations into the family’s business and campaign practices. The House of Representatives voted to impeach him, for a second time.

...None of the people with whom the Trump-Kushners used to socialize, including recently, are rushing toward them now

...Most of their associates know they are toxic, but just as many of them are aware of how rich they are and what power money will always wield, even if no one wants to be caught with them. Others seem eager to never think of them again. “Thank you for your service…or whatever that was?” Lauren Santo Domingo, the social denizen and queen of the the Uptown Resistance, said on Wednesday. “I think we all could use a vacation after that.”

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  #2641474 25-Jan-2021 10:53
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The forming of a new party would not surprise me in the least if it happened.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300213374/trump-jumps-into-a-divisive-battle-over-the-republican-party--with-a-threat-to-start-a-maga-party




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  #2641599 25-Jan-2021 12:17
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JaseNZ:

 

The forming of a new party would not surprise me in the least if it happened.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300213374/trump-jumps-into-a-divisive-battle-over-the-republican-party--with-a-threat-to-start-a-maga-party

 

 

Its not to win back power, its to punish the GOP. Its quite immature to play games with 300 million people

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  #2641604 25-Jan-2021 12:24
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Its not to win back power, its to punish the GOP. Its quite immature to play games with 300 million people

 

 

Since when has anyone ever accused Trump of being mature?

 

 




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  #2641655 25-Jan-2021 12:42
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Rikkitic:  Since when has anyone ever accused Trump of being mature?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CBS News - Trump Baby balloon to be displayed at Museum of London after appearing at protests around the world




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  #2641657 25-Jan-2021 12:44
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The problem I see with third parties and third party Presidential candidates in USA is that its a first past the post system.

 

Review the experience of Ross Perot, its not that easy even with very deep pockets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_1992_presidential_campaign

 

Though some presage to future of such candidates.
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Supporters saw him as a non-political and witty "folk hero", but critics described him as "authoritarian"[2] and "short-tempered".[3]
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Upon Perot's death from leukemia in 2019, Politico editor-in-chief John F. Harris reflected upon Perot's 1992 campaign and referred to him as the "father of Trump" due to Trump's 2016 presidential victory as, like Perot, a populist businessman without traditional political experience.[120]
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A long story re Ross Perot and the value of his word.
Ross Perot and the Inventor.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/ross-and-me/

 

IMHO

 

Perhaps a lesson for Tea-Party, Trumpian politics, took to taking over one of the two existing parties, from the inside is the way to go.
Advantage is you get the loyal voting Republican for life crowd, years of electoral infrastructure and gerrymandering, and add your base to it.
Gerymandering and voter suppression built up over decades by a party organization, that you can inherit by taking it over also.

 

America due to the constitution, and states, you will never get a popular vote on moving to proportional representation.
The idea of a national vote having power is not one that flys in USA it seems, let alone getting a national ballot on change.
You have more chance of going metric, and thats pretty much dead.

 

It would be interesting to see what people with closer experience of USA politics think.
I'm just poking a stick at it from the outside, and seeing that looks a yucky mess thats never going uphill.

 

P.S. Ross Perot did contribute significantly to Steve Jobs NeXT, that led to ... 
https://www.fastcompany.com/90374043/how-ross-perot-helped-bring-us-the-iphone

https://www.cake.co/conversations/DwwvjtB/the-fascinating-bromance-between-steve-jobs-and-ross-perot

Not sure Ross himself saw a much back from his safest investment he ever made ?

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