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#2389086 9-Jan-2020 15:09

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We are not immune to wild fires now, reference Christchurch and Nelson. We will have a far greater vulnerability in the future thanks to climate change.

Compared to Australia , they were little better than a guy Fawkes sparkler.

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#2389087 9-Jan-2020 15:09

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The 1B trees wont happen anyway, like most Climate Change measures, they will come into play when we are desperate, which is also well past when its too late

Of course, it's not going to happen, it was just another fairy tale. The point was more around whether they planned it properly.

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#2389093 9-Jan-2020 15:14

If unicorns aren't real, who cares if they can fly or not?

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#2389096 9-Jan-2020 15:18

MikeB4:

We are not immune to wild fires now, reference Christchurch and Nelson. We will have a far greater vulnerability in the future thanks to climate change.

There is always a risk of fires. ChCh was arson, and was out in a few days, Nelson the same. AUS is a totally different ball game, many states are a BBQ waiting to be lit, fuel everywhere. A fire here gets contained with relatively few firefighters, the AUS blazes cover an area the size of Denmark. Our time will come as Climate Change changes our average temp, but its nowhere near now.

Agree in the future, perhaps one generation. T

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#2389100 9-Jan-2020 15:22

networkn:

tdgeek:

The 1B trees wont happen anyway, like most Climate Change measures, they will come into play when we are desperate, which is also well past when its too late

Of course, it's not going to happen, it was just another fairy tale. The point was more around whether they planned it properly.

Planned as in potential fires? Whatever any forester does to cover that off is still current, so yes that will be built in, but we aren't prone to wildfires as AUS is.

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#2389105 9-Jan-2020 15:30

The Australian fires were arson as well with around 23 arson arrests. A wild fire is a wild fire be it started by arson, lightning, mistake or accident.

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#2389107 9-Jan-2020 15:32

MikeB4: The Australian fires were arson as well with around 23 arson arrests. A wild fire is a wild fire be it started by arson, lightning, mistake or accident.

Not disagreeing with that, the environment and size is so different. Its a problem for another time

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#2389108 9-Jan-2020 15:32

MikeB4: The Australian fires were arson as well with around 23 arson arrests. A wild fire is a wild fire be it started by arson, lightning, mistake or accident.

I think he is talking about the scale. But the scale could be significantly less and still have massive consequences.

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#2389115 9-Jan-2020 15:51

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MikeB4: The Australian fires were arson as well with around 23 arson arrests. A wild fire is a wild fire be it started by arson, lightning, mistake or accident.

Not disagreeing with that, the environment and size is so different. Its a problem for another time

And right there is one of the leading issues with climate change "Its a problem for another time" It is a problem now.

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#2389186 9-Jan-2020 18:28

MikeB4:

tdgeek:

MikeB4: The Australian fires were arson as well with around 23 arson arrests. A wild fire is a wild fire be it started by arson, lightning, mistake or accident.

Not disagreeing with that, the environment and size is so different. Its a problem for another time

And right there is one of the leading issues with climate change "Its a problem for another time" It is a problem now.

I could not agree more, all I hear is rampant talk about Climate Change but no Govt does anything about it. For wildfires in NZ that is a problem for another time.It is so much wetter here, temps are so much lower, a drought here is not a drought compared to AUS. Their whole country is bone dry, the wind runs west to east across a massive dry area. Undergrowth there is a bone dry fuel. Here the west brings rain, and in the east in the NI its generally humid as its sub tropical, the SI is temperate. Its not the same. If we stopped everything and paid money and resources to protect us from AUS wildfires at the expense of a lot of other stuff we can do to REALLY help CC, then thats a major fail.

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#2389189 9-Jan-2020 18:35

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MikeB4: The Australian fires were arson as well with around 23 arson arrests. A wild fire is a wild fire be it started by arson, lightning, mistake or accident.

I think he is talking about the scale. But the scale could be significantly less and still have massive consequences.

Potentially. But as my reply to Mike says, its a LOT different here, a LOT different. As no Govt, including ours does nothing, the fire risk will ramp up, but given our rainfall and being an island and not a bone fry continent, its a lot different. We will not have Northland and Auckland burning. Canterbury potentially but its not covered in bone dry fuel. I did two road trips to Invers and Dunners in the last 2 weeks, all I see is 400 metre irrigators and green rolling country further south. Wildfires are a risk, but its nowhere near AUS. WHEN climate change is not dealt with, then that risk will increase. But not now, here at least. But of we choose to ignore EV's, solar, etc, etc,etc and focus on a wildfire that will take 5 days to control and will just burn trees and gorse and broom, so be it. Thats wrong IMHO

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#2400609 17-Jan-2020 11:59

Just received:

The Government’s books are in good shape with the accounts in surplus and expenses close to forecast, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says.

The Treasury today released the Crown accounts for the five months to November.

The operating balance before gains and losses (OBEGAL) was above forecast by $0.7 billion resulting in a surplus of $100 million.

The variance is due to lower than forecast Core Crown expenses and higher than forecast revenue.

“While the month by month results do tend to fluctuate due to tax timing changes, it is pleasing to see this positive result,” Grant Robertson says.

“The surplus and low levels of debt show the fundamentals of the New Zealand economy remain strong.”

Net debt remains low at 20.1% of GDP, while expenses were within 0.6% of forecast.

Net investments gains of $3.6 billion were $1.3 billion above forecast, largely because of favourable changes in market prices.

“Our careful fiscal management has resulted in low government debt, which alongside record low borrowing costs has given us room to invest an extra $12 billion to future-proof New Zealand,” Grant Robertson says.

“This package of infrastructure projects will provide further support to boost the New Zealand economy in the face of slowing international growth and global headwinds.

“It will also give certainty to the construction industry about upcoming infrastructure projects and will create more opportunities for Kiwis.

“We’ll be announcing the specific projects in the near future,” Grant Robertson says.

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#2405239 23-Jan-2020 12:54

tdgeek:

We will not have Northland and Auckland burning.

We have Kiwi starving to death and unable to forage for water in Northland at the moment. No serious rain being forecast for the foreseeable future. The conditions are less 'extreme' in that they won't generate a humanitarian crisis but the effects of prolonged moisture depletion in soils are very real. Auckland is unlikely to run out of water like in the 1990s so I suspect that people here take these things less seriously, unfortunately.

As for solar, I suspect it will take another Tasman Tempest or huge storm before anyone talks about localised resilience in Auckland again.

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#2405248 23-Jan-2020 13:22

GV27:

tdgeek:

We will not have Northland and Auckland burning.

We have Kiwi starving to death and unable to forage for water in Northland at the moment. No serious rain being forecast for the foreseeable future. The conditions are less 'extreme' in that they won't generate a humanitarian crisis but the effects of prolonged moisture depletion in soils are very real. Auckland is unlikely to run out of water like in the 1990s so I suspect that people here take these things less seriously, unfortunately.

As for solar, I suspect it will take another Tasman Tempest or huge storm before anyone talks about localised resilience in Auckland again.

They are in a drought, that happens in NZ. The news article today says that farmers are managing. No mention of Kiwis though. This happens. However, it will happen more, and what is usually no need for Govt support or in some cases some Govt support, that will end up as a standard BAU Budget item that our taxes will pay for, and items of expenditure elsewhere that wont happen. Thats what happens when all Govts ignore Climate Change, they will save money now and spend it later, permanently

What Charles said today is very true. Everyone has been warned for decades, and still no action taken. He says we need to reset the global economy, insert CC issues into it, but no, that wont happen. One day the Budget will say, we have increased Climate Change expenditure by 26% this year. Funded by new taxes or cancelling transport infrastructure spending, etc

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#2405502 23-Jan-2020 20:00

tdgeek:

One day the Budget will say, we have increased Climate Change expenditure by 26% this year. Funded by new taxes or cancelling transport infrastructure spending, etc

A lot of that funding goes into writing reports about even more money could be spent. I'd love to know the portion of Green Dollars that actually goes towards green infrastructure.

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