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  #2437540 13-Mar-2020 13:30
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GV27:

 

The world is a very different place since I wrote this - about $1tn poorer globally. 

 

I definitely share your sentiment now. I still think the most effective thing we could do is big picture relief (WFFTC overboost, defer/discount PAYE obligations for employers, RBNZ cooperation to assist mortgage owners etc). 

 

I think whatever assistance the Govt provides needs to be done in a way that still allows this well-overdue minimum wage increase to go through. If they're going to reach into the bag of tricks, they just need to reach deeper. 

 

 

$1 trillion is a vast underestimate.  Back of envelope calculation suggests to me that it's probably about $25 trillion in global stock market capitalisation got wiped out.

 

I don't have the foggiest clue what's really happening apart from the obvious:

 

The crash was triggered by the pandemic - that's not over and we don't know when it will be, and the crash has taken form as unprecedented panic deleveraging - everything is being sold to get cash - and so far the market is not responding to trillions of dollars of stimulus.

 

Nobody knows what the end point of this is going to be.  Sure we're going to have to look after the people most vulnerable, beyond that it's almost pointless deciding now what an appropriate rescue package for the economy should be, just put out fires one by one as they crop up.

 

 

 

 




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  #2437549 13-Mar-2020 13:47
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Fred99:

 

GV27:

 

The world is a very different place since I wrote this - about $1tn poorer globally. 

 

I definitely share your sentiment now. I still think the most effective thing we could do is big picture relief (WFFTC overboost, defer/discount PAYE obligations for employers, RBNZ cooperation to assist mortgage owners etc). 

 

I think whatever assistance the Govt provides needs to be done in a way that still allows this well-overdue minimum wage increase to go through. If they're going to reach into the bag of tricks, they just need to reach deeper. 

 

 

$1 trillion is a vast underestimate.  Back of envelope calculation suggests to me that it's probably about $25 trillion in global stock market capitalisation got wiped out.

 

I don't have the foggiest clue what's really happening apart from the obvious:

 

The crash was triggered by the pandemic - that's not over and we don't know when it will be, and the crash has taken form as unprecedented panic deleveraging - everything is being sold to get cash - and so far the market is not responding to trillions of dollars of stimulus.

 

Nobody knows what the end point of this is going to be.  Sure we're going to have to look after the people most vulnerable, beyond that it's almost pointless deciding now what an appropriate rescue package for the economy should be, just put out fires one by one as they crop up.

 

 

Apologies that should have been 'locally'. Was thinking about Aus/NZ/Japan. China I have no idea where to begin. 

 

Something has to happen though, unsure whether next week's announcement will be too little too late. Many businesses are looking at a very slow end-of-month following next week's hit from 20ths payments and large-payroll PAYE. 

 

 


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  #2453500 3-Apr-2020 08:34
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322103

 

Dumb on so many levels. (and before people get on their high horses, yes I totally would be calling out National in the same situation).

 

 




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  #2453547 3-Apr-2020 09:43
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networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322103

 

Dumb on so many levels. (and before people get on their high horses, yes I totally would be calling out National in the same situation).

 

 

 

 

and he is Minister of Health....surely he should be removed. 


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  #2453549 3-Apr-2020 09:46
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Mahon:

 

and he is Minister of Health....surely he should be removed. 

 

 

I think a change at that level would do more harm than good.

 

 

 

 


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  #2453557 3-Apr-2020 09:52
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Mahon:

 

and he is Minister of Health....surely he should be removed. 

 

 

I think a change at that level would do more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry...no excuses for this. Keeping him in place means that the rules he helped create dont apply to him. He is obviously completely stupid to do it in a vehicle with his face all over it. PM cannot afford to let this slide. She needs to assert some leadership here and she would gain political capital by doing it.


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  #2453562 3-Apr-2020 10:02
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Mahon:

 

Sorry...no excuses for this. Keeping him in place means that the rules he helped create dont apply to him. He is obviously completely stupid to do it in a vehicle with his face all over it. PM cannot afford to let this slide. She needs to assert some leadership here and she would gain political capital by doing it.

 

 

Under normal circumstances, I would expect serious repercussions for this, but right now, the loss of momentum whilst they found another suitable person to take the role and get them up to speed... It wouldn't be great.

 

It's a terrible look on his part, stupid really, and worrisome from a judgment perspective, but sacking him right now would be ... not ideal. They should be able to find a suitable alternative punishment though.

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 

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  #2453572 3-Apr-2020 10:05
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networkn:

 

Mahon:

 

Sorry...no excuses for this. Keeping him in place means that the rules he helped create dont apply to him. He is obviously completely stupid to do it in a vehicle with his face all over it. PM cannot afford to let this slide. She needs to assert some leadership here and she would gain political capital by doing it.

 

 

Under normal circumstances, I would expect serious repercussions for this, but right now, the loss of momentum whilst they found another suitable person to take the role and get them up to speed... It wouldn't be great.

 

It's a terrible look on his part, stupid really, and worrisome from a judgment perspective, but sacking him right now would be ... not ideal. They should be able to find a suitable alternative punishment though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

and he drove 2.3kms to go for a bike ride. Thats dumb on its own.


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  #2453615 3-Apr-2020 10:52
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I agree with the sentiments. The PM is working hard, fronting the nation every day and someone does... this?





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  #2453723 3-Apr-2020 12:57
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and now...

 

Trevor Mallard is also doing it.

 

Mallard Cycling

 

I have been told over and over to only excercise myself and my dog in my local area and that cyclists as well should only be going around a block or two.

 

I am dumbfounded by blatant breaches of the rules by the most senior members of this Government. How can we trust them to steer us through this mess when they dont abide by the rules they set. Beginning to think Hoskings remarks today are on the button.


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  #2454097 3-Apr-2020 21:53
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Poor Ardern, it’s hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys.

 

Calls for David Clark’s replacement are ridiculous though. Who are you going to choose instead? (Gobble gobble)

 

I believe the more important question was posed by Bridges. Since Clark’s ministry has the lead in this crisis, why isn’t he in Wellington?





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Its called social distancing?

 

Also I would hazard a guess that you don't quite understand the role of a Minister vs CEO, or in this case Minister vs Director General of Health. Much the same as Mayor of a city and the CEO of the council. 

 

Why do you think he needs to be in Wellington? Who would be in his bubble?


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  #2455486 6-Apr-2020 09:25
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networkn:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322103

 

Dumb on so many levels. (and before people get on their high horses, yes I totally would be calling out National in the same situation).

 

 

Good to see some politicians have morals....according to UK Guardian

 

 

"Scotland's medical officer resigns after flouting social distancing laws

 

 

 

 

Scotland's Chief Medical Officer Catherine Calderwood resigned on Sunday after she flouted her own advice to stay at home to fight the spread of the coronavirus by travelling to her second home on two successive weekends.

 

She said the justifiable focus on her behaviour risked becoming a distraction from the hugely important job that government and the medical profession had to do in getting the country through this coronavirus pandemic.

 

"It is with a heavy heart that I resign as Chief Medical Officer," she said"

 

 

 

 


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  #2456313 7-Apr-2020 09:59
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Clark has fronted and said he was dick, apologised, and been demoted. It's an appropriate response under the circumstances, and I also feel he's likely to learn from it, and never repeat a similar mistake. It might wake him up and make him better at his role overall, as he will know he is on notice. 

 

It's very worrying, the number of Coalition MP's who are learning on the job and only seem to get the seriousness of the issues they cause after they get caught, but I think a second chance under the circumstances is a reasonable response. 

 

Hopefully, it's over now and he can get back to doing his job (better). 

 

 


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  #2456503 7-Apr-2020 15:30
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12323143

 

This is a monumental mess.  I do understand the magnitude of what the Government has tried to do, but the communication on various fronts has been awful. 

 

 


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