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  #3142743 4-Oct-2023 14:05
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What is the consequence for Ukraine aid now that the House is frozen?

 

 





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  #3142802 4-Oct-2023 14:37
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Rikkitic:

 

What is the consequence for Ukraine aid now that the House is frozen?

 

 

In the Short term, minimal, 

 

Longer term it starts to become a problem as US inventories run down and need replenishment...

 

But it highlights a bigger problem, A growing resistance in the Rep Party to being engaged in Global issues, and a growing  isolationist movement (its been a historic issue for the Reps) 


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  #3143133 5-Oct-2023 14:16
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The Republican answer to getting Putin to peace talks quickly is to fill his hope chest so he sees every reason to delay and hold out.

 

Meanwhile...

How Russian missile, diesel engine and tank factories get Niles Simmonds machine tools.
From a USA leading Machine Tool company that benefits from millions of dollars of US defense contracts.
Despite 2014 sanctions, and even the current invasion.

 

I daresay these also need continuing parts and technical support etc?

 

Via their German operation that manufactures them in Germany.
Their chairman Hans Namen a Trumplican, has been a long term supporter of Russia and removing sanctions.
Um, well you will see in this below his statement 'White Races' have to stick together to counter Asians.
Trump is the answer according to him as he knows this.
Lovely...

 

Machinery from New York-based company used to build Russian weapons used in war on Ukraine
PBs News Hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iiIUoVFNbY

 

Ok Russia could just send its plans and specs to China to machine up on the same NS tools they have.
Slower and more expensive, and if you have to change something on the fly even more delay.
But why make it easy...


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  #3143206 5-Oct-2023 15:52
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ezbee:

 

How Russian missile, diesel engine and tank factories get Niles Simmonds machine tools.
From a USA leading Machine Tool company that benefits from millions of dollars of US defense contracts.
Despite 2014 sanctions, and even the current invasion.

 

 

 

 

Not that I'm condoning it, but how would a machine tools company ensure Russians didn't buy their tools? If we can't stop the Russians getting their hands on enough export controlled components to keep manufacturing cruise missiles, we can hardly expect that normal stuff like tools aren't going to flood through a chain of cut-outs to get past sanctions.





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  #3143224 5-Oct-2023 17:44
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Maybe this explain why Russian missile seem to have odd behavior, like "boomerang" missile.

Perhaps they should stick to 1970's style space craft and missiles.

Russian Space Probe Crashed Into Moon Because It 'Forgot' To Turn On Critical Hardware



One year ago, Russian boomerang missile


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  #3143286 5-Oct-2023 18:59
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Understand, though it seems they were not trying hard. 

 

These were 400K to millions of dollar deals, so not so normal.
$17 Million dollars of sales apparently made after the latest invasion to Russia, let alone that before.

 

Hardly a generic 'bob' picking up something from the trade counter.
 
Hans Namen had apparently talked strongly against Russian sanctions and their hinderance to the business.
So quite well aware their technology impacted by these since the 2014 ones established.
There was awareness that defense industry a significant user as it is in USA.

 

Sales process of no contact with end customer, even working through a Swiss dealer, its a red flag in itself.
Considering size of orders any sales organization would want to have very detailed profile to guide future sales efforts.

 

'Trust me bro', I'm Swiss.

 

Anyway when I think of the details my masters wanted about end customers for business far smaller.
Seems for big stuff you don't care, its just off to the pub to celebrate :-) 

 

Of course its nothing like the Toshiba Kongsberg scandal, in midst of cold war, highend machine tools again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba%E2%80%93Kongsberg_scandal

 

 


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  #3143853 7-Oct-2023 07:56
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An anti-Trump group launched an ad Friday seeking to push House Republicans to elect a new Speaker who will support more funding for Ukraine as the chaos in the lower legislative chamber continues to imperil additional assistance for Kyiv.

The political ad is expected will air on Fox News.

The Next Speaker Must Support Ukraine

Republicans for Ukraine


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  #3145041 10-Oct-2023 20:10
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I'm curious to see how the "attention" will now be shared with the Gaza Strip ... if that doesn't become too much.





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  #3145096 10-Oct-2023 20:31
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kingdragonfly: Maybe this explain why Russian missile seem to have odd behavior, like "boomerang" missile.


 

Problems with other Russian made weapons as well.

 

Russian soldiers were puzzled why their artillery shells weren't exploding and dismantled some to find they were not filled with TNT.

 

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-tanker-commanders-empty-tank-shell-ukraine-counteroffensive-artillery-1830360

 

 

 

Maybe somebody didn't have enough materials to meet their production targets and found a loophole in their contract. 





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  #3150694 21-Oct-2023 07:29
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Forbes: Ukraine’s new m39 missiles each scatters a thousand submunitions. Now every Russian base in Ukraine is a target.
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The Ukrainian army last night lobbed three of the missiles at the Russian airfield in Berdyansk, in Russian-occupied southern Ukraine. The attack came shortly after the administration of U.S. president Joe Biden quietly shipped a consignment of M39s to Ukraine.

A video depicts the airfield in flames; the Ukrainian defense ministry claims it destroyed nine helicopters between the Berdyansk strike and a simultaneous raid on Russian forces in Luhansk Oblast, farther to the east. “ATACMS have proven themselves,” Ukrainian president Volodymr Zelensky said.

The M39’s arrival, 21 months into Russia’s wider war on Ukraine, signals a major shift in the firepower balance as the war’s third winter looms. “We believe this will provide a significant boost to Ukraine’s battlefield capabilities,” a U.S. National Security Council spokesperson said.

“It's not a Wunderwaffe,” analyst Brynn Tannehill wrote about ATACMS back in September. “It will not singlehandedly win the war. But oh wow, will it complicate things for the Russians. ATACMS can hit everywhere in occupied Ukraine (including Crimea) with minimal warning.”

The M39 with its nearly 1,000 submunitions is an area weapon. It doesn’t punch through concrete and steel the way, say, a British-made Storm Shadow cruise missile does. No, it sprinkles its submunitions across potentially thousands of square yards.
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  #3150704 21-Oct-2023 09:10
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The Forbes article quoted indicates Ukraine is being supplied with cluster munitions. The newer versions of the same missiles don't use cluster munitions and comply with the convention on cluster munitions apparently.

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  #3150723 21-Oct-2023 10:17
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Horses for courses. Storm shadow for the HQ building, cluster munition for assembled assets.

 

Also makes sense to use up old stock first. Latest Leopard tanks Ukraine weren't sent to Ukraine either.

 

Ukraine is claiming 21 helicopters and vehicles destroyed and damaged from this attack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYrnyiqQrw&ab_channel=Suchomimus

 

Ouch !





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  #3150775 21-Oct-2023 11:00
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Not crying for the Russian armed forces. Reap what you sow.





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  #3150780 21-Oct-2023 11:36
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The issue with cluster munitions has never been that they are unkind to militaries. The thing is the cleanup afterwards and the continuing danger to civilians. USA does have later compliant versions of these missiles using an inactive fragmentation method and create no continuing dangers when the conflict is over.

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  #3150785 21-Oct-2023 12:50
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gzt: The issue with cluster munitions has never been that they are unkind to militaries. The thing is the cleanup afterwards and the continuing danger to civilians. USA does have later compliant versions of these missiles using an inactive fragmentation method and create no continuing dangers when the conflict is over.

 

 

 

Well, Ukraine is using them on Ukrainian sovereign territory to more quickly wipe out Russian forces and materiel. I'm sure they factored cleanup of their own ground into the equation already. 





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