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  #2963780 6-Sep-2022 07:59
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More Dirty Deeds ...

 

The NY Times - Judge Grants Trump’s Request for Special Master to Review Mar-a-Lago Documents

 

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A federal judge intervened on Monday in the investigation of former President Donald J. Trump’s handling of sensitive government records, ordering the appointment of an independent arbiter to review a trove of materials seized last month from Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Florida.

 

The judge, Aileen M. Cannon of the Federal District Court for the Southern District of Florida*, also temporarily barred the Justice Department from using the seized materials for any “investigative purpose” connected to its inquiry of Mr. Trump until the work of the arbiter, known as a special master, was completed.

 

The order would prevent, at least for now, federal prosecutors from using key pieces of evidence as they continue to investigate whether the former president illegally retained national defense documents at his estate, Mar-a-Lago, or obstructed the government’s efforts to get them back. 

 

It also appeared to grant Mr. Trump special deference as a former president, rejecting the Justice Department’s repeated assertions that it would pursue investigations of Mr. Trump just as it would those of any other person.

 

 

* Judge Cannon was appointed by Trump

 

 

 

also:  BBC News - Trump allowed 'special master' in case over handling of classified documents  (no paywall)




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  #2963804 6-Sep-2022 09:24
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Representative Jamie Raskin (Democrat-Maryland) talks about "hallmarks of a fascist political party"
  • former President Trump's recent calls for a new election

  • his claims that, if re-elected, he would issue pardons to participants in the deadly Jan. 6 Capitol riot

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  #2963823 6-Sep-2022 10:43
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With this much publicity, the case is not going to go away.

Even at a snail's pace, I'd expect the "special master" to take a year.

This means it puts it closer to the 2024 election cycle.

The FBI already know the contents of every top-secret document; so not allowing the Justice Department use the materials is pointless; it's equivalent to saying "Someone printed a Word document from an archive, and I shredded it in the bathroom and threw it in the toilet to delete it."

The Justice Department just have more time and be better organized at the end of this pause.

In the meantime, to anyone who has half a brain, it'll be a transparent attempt by Trump to avoid justice.

I'm sure Trump will be pleading the Fifth amendment, against self-incrimination, when the case comes to trail, which will further erode his credibility.

An offshoot is I'd expect a MAGA terrorists or two to be embolden to attack law enforcement. Again not good for mainstream Republicans.

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  #2963912 6-Sep-2022 16:05
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https://nz.news.yahoo.com/trump-attempted-pay-attorney-horse-142724605.html

 

Horses for courses, lol.

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  #2963945 6-Sep-2022 17:53
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quickymart:

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/trump-attempted-pay-attorney-horse-142724605.html

 

Horses for courses, lol.

 

 

When you're dealing with the southern end of a north-facing horse, what would you expect?

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  #2963969 6-Sep-2022 19:09
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Like to see the north end put in his bed.

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  #2963997 6-Sep-2022 20:13
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Interesting comment from the always-insightful Perun (who I reckon is a front for a think tank at the ADFA because no one person can produce that level of analysis by themselves :-) that if you poll people in the US and ask whether they support the US response to the Ukraine issue you get a completely different answer to when you ask whether they support Biden's response to the Ukraine issue, even though it's the same thing.

 

 

Which goes to show how brokenly polarised the US.

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  #2964073 7-Sep-2022 09:05
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A matched pair of articles:

 

The Guardian - Trouble for Trump’s Truth Social as investors back away from cash boost

 

6 September

 


Donald Trump’s beleaguered social media company is facing further financial turmoil after a long-awaited $1.3bn cash injection looks set to be derailed due to lackluster investor backing.

 

Shareholders of the special purpose acquisitions firm, which last year brokered a deal to take the Trump Media and Technology Group public, have not backed a one-year extension to complete the transaction, which threatens to spoil the merger.

 

Trump Media and Technology Group is the company that launched the ex-president’s Truth Social platform.

 



 

The Washington Post - Opinion - The GOP can’t be saved

 

6 September

 


With the midterm elections hurtling into their final stretch, a group of Never Trumpers is pumping millions of dollars* into ads aimed at defeating Republican candidates aligned with Donald Trump and his lies about the 2020 election.

 

At the core of this effort is a big question: Can Trump’s continued domination of the news cycle, and the intensifying revelations about his lawlessness, alienate a small but meaningful enough fraction of GOP-leaning voters to affect the outcome?

 

The Republican Accountability Project, which is chaired by Never Trumper and conservative movement veteran Bill Kristol, is betting that it’s possible. 

 

A PAC linked to the group is spending money to try to defeat more than a dozen of the Trumpiest GOP candidates ...

 



*  at least USD $10m




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  #2964374 7-Sep-2022 17:53
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The new PBS documentary Lies, Politics and Democracy looks to be an interesting watch.

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  #2964393 7-Sep-2022 18:45
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76 year old Trump frequently called Biden senile and suffering from dementia. One thing Trump's presidency proves: psychopaths are good at getting ahead.

Independent, last weekend: Trump said ‘weirdo’ Mark Zuckerberg joined him at the White House for dinner ‘last week’

Donald Trump held a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, on Saturday where he appeared to briefly forget that he is no longer in the White House.

The ex-president was sharing an anecdote about Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg when he bizarrely suggested that the Meta CEO had attended a dinner at the White House as his guest “last week”.

"Last week, the weirdo — he’s a weirdo — Mark Zuckerberg came to the White House, kissed my ass all night," said the president

He then went on, mimicking Mr Zuckerberg: "’Sir, I’d love to have dinner, sir. I’d love to have dinner. I’d love to bring my lovely wife.’ All right, Mark, come on in. ‘Sir, you’re number one on Facebook. I’d like to congratulate you.’ Thank you very much, Mark. I appreciate it."
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  #2964395 7-Sep-2022 18:47
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But Trump can't have dementia, he can say "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV".

 

 

(Fred Trump, Teflon Don's father, had Alzheimers, which puts his kids at heightened risk of getting it too).

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  #2964404 7-Sep-2022 19:01
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I found this old article from 2016, pre-Trump presidency, based on a 2012 book The Wisdom of Psychopaths

It says more about voters than politicians.

Scientific American: Would You Vote for a Psychopath?
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To evaluate the top candidates in the U.S. presidential race, I contacted one of the BBC's most respected and seasoned American political news anchors, whom I assured complete anonymity, and asked this individual to fill out the PPI-R short form on behalf of the four leading contenders at the time—Clinton, Cruz, Sanders and Trump. In each case, this anchor answered the questions by drawing on personal firsthand experiences with the candidates, as well as expert media analysis and dispassionate general impressions.

When the results were tallied, Trump trumped the rest of the field, achieving a total psychopathy score in league with Hitler and Idi Amin. Of particular note, he outscored the other three contenders in the Fearless Dominance dimension, associated with successful presidencies.
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  #2964429 7-Sep-2022 21:34
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The Washington Post - Files seized at Mar-a-Lago include material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities

 

06 September

 

 

Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know.

 

A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.

 

Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. ...

 

Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.

 

But such documents were stored at Mar-a-Lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after Trump left the White House.

 



 

 

 




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  #2964467 8-Sep-2022 07:14
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https://www.thebulwark.com/let-donald-trump-have-his-special-master/

 

I think this could be best summarised (for Trump) as "be careful what you wish for".

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  #2964533 8-Sep-2022 08:57
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"Justice delayed is justice denied." (William Ewart Gladstone)

"The worst form of injustice is pretended justice." (Plato)

"Privilege of all kinds are the grave of liberty and justice." (Johann Gottfried Seume)

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." (Martin Luther King)

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