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#3260022 15-Jul-2024 21:50

The actual Republican Party Policy Platform 2024:

The American Presidency Project: use existing Federal Law to keep foreign Christian-hating Communists, Marxists, and Socialists out of America. Those who join our Country must love our Country. We will use extreme vetting to ensure that jihadists and jihadist sympathizers are not admitted.

It goes on like that. Looks like it was written as a series of 2:00AM tweets. Trump's people have full control of the Republican National Committee and it shows.

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#3260033 15-Jul-2024 22:27

It's no longer the Republican Party, it's the Trump Organisation.

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#3260038 15-Jul-2024 23:01

neb: It's no longer the Republican Party, it's the Trump Organisation.

He's now been elevated from cult to hero status.

Anyone see the front page picture of every newspaper in the world?

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#3260052 16-Jul-2024 07:33

The ticket is complete

"When Donald Trump first ran for president in 2016, one of his steadfast critics within the Republican Party was J.D. Vance, now Vance will join the Republican ticket as Trump’s running mate."

https://wapo.st/3W15w7H

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#3260059 16-Jul-2024 08:17

Following on from the above: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/15/trump-jd-vance-vice-president

So if something happens to Trump this clown becomes president? Christ, what a pick. At least Marco Rubio had some political skills, but he's probably not MAGA enough 🙄

I guess Vance must have been able to get away with saying all those nasty things about Trump previously and now he's fine with it. Seems to be specific people can but everyone else gets eternal damnation. I wonder why that is.

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#3260065 16-Jul-2024 08:39

quickymart:

I guess Vance must have been able to get away with saying all those nasty things about Trump previously and now he's fine with it. Seems to be specific people can but everyone else gets eternal damnation. I wonder why that is.

Its kind of inline with Maga, ethics on a whim. whatever suits him to get to the top, something Dems are trying to show the US people but they are not listening, Im not sure anything can change their minds as its a collective of groups in the Heritge Found who are all behind the movement and have dragged other Republicans in wit them. Stupidly like many places in the world people vote thinkng a Parties policies dont change.

Given the amount of maga movement in the Republican party and its ties to Proj25, is there anyone who is fighting to get the party back to the Reagan like normality? ie working together bi-partisan and deterance in strength?

I have a strong feeling Trump will just roll over for Rus and withhold defensive missile sales from Ukr, abandon Nato etc. But Im sure I read somewhere its not just that easy for him to do so?

Is it possible he will extend his Terrm from 4 yrs to infinitely, if SCOTUS makes decisions on this and they are in his pocket, does this mean the US will truely become an authoritarian state?

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#3260091 16-Jul-2024 10:23

I know for many the fall out from the Pandemic was bad in the US. Biden has turned this around. Just as this is about to start benefiting avg americans, they for some reason mostly (not sure of the stat) think the country would be better off financially under Trump.

Yet the only "Policies" Trump has are ones which will put the US into recession and cause mass inflation, according to many well respected economists.

So my question is, why do so many have this false narrative?

all I can put it down to is, they think the guy play acting as an executive on "the apprentice" is their saving grace. Some kind of, Reality TV is real?

I also wonder if Democrats are to blame for not explaining strongly enough post pandemic recession and what exactly they have done economically and how that will start benefitting middle america and on the other side just how disasttrous exreme import tariffs and a crazy deportation plan will compound the inflation caused by tariffs to insane levels.

and perhaps if the Dems had put forward somebody younger with Kamala to prosecute this election, they may have done a better job at explaining all of this.

With Proj25 and Trump looking to remove 50k Govt workers, and replace with 20k loyalists to make his ability to do whatever he choses, less hassle, or at least this is what is being reported. If his next term fails spectacular as some predict, and a democrat is voted back, in 28. What happens to those 20k Trump loyalist workers then?

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#3260092 16-Jul-2024 10:28

Interesting comments from some Republicans around Trump choosing Vance, per Politico:

When POLITICO asked congressional Republicans about potential vice presidential picks earlier this year, a number said they liked Vance personally. But some lawmakers expressed reservations about adding Vance to the ticket, noting ways in which he mirrors Trump rather than broadening the former president's appeal.

“I love J.D.,” Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who’d initially endorsed North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum for president, told POLITICO in May. “But I don't think he does add any value electorally to the ticket. … J.D. just cements the MAGA world, but they're already pretty well cemented in. I like him, but I just don't see that.”

Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) also said in May that while Vance “is new into the system” and “he has been purporting and talking a lot of a populist philosophy," and is a "good communicator," the South Dakota senator preferred other vice presidential candidates like Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) or Tim Scott (R-S.C.).

So while I'm sure James (his given name) will fully appeal to the MAGA crowd, he might have a hard hill to climb to sell himself to moderates and independents.

At least Pence - while conservative - was different to Trump in more ways than one, so there was a balance. Here it feels like Trump has just picked a younger version of himself, never mind the fact that he once referred to Trump as "America's Hitler". I guess that's all good now? 🙄

In a similar vein, I imagine that people who don't like him will be quoting all the times he's bad-mouthed Trump in the past - and there sure are a lot of them, as evidenced here:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/15/jd-vance-donald-trump-comments-00168450

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#3260094 16-Jul-2024 10:44

quickymart:

So while I'm sure James (his given name) will full appeal to the MAGA crowd, he might have a hard hill to climb to sell himself to moderates and independents.

At least Pence - while conservative - was different to Trump in more ways than one, so there was a balance. Here it feels like Trump has just picked a younger version of himself, never mind the fact that he once referred to Trump as "America's Hitler". I guess that's all good now? 🙄

all is forgiven with useful idiots. Trump being one himself for Rus.

I think Nikki Haley has more of a chance than JD (why do people insist on initials than their name?) in 28. I just hope this "movement" behind P25 will face too much push back with normal, poltical career Republicans taking back their party.

But Im expecting a catastrophe in the next Trump govt, the guy is so terribly incompetent and wont listen to people OR will give go the complete opposite direction with delegating. Either way, he is going to inherit america in great shape, but will take full credit for it. But I do wonder how long his brilliant plans will take to send the US back into inflation and recession? ie all imports Tariffed and deporting 11mill ppl, who are te majority of the people doing the jobs amercians dont want to do ie picking fruit, farm hands, garbage etc.

In this situation, I expect a much stronger Democrats next time around to prosecute Trumps grand failures both nationally and internationally, with possibly Newsom for Pres and Hakim Jeffries for VP. I just dont see the US voting for Kamala as president.

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#3260161 16-Jul-2024 11:30

Trump says a lot of things just to appeal to his base and get elected that he would never enact in power.

He's not going to put huge tariffs on imports generally although he might pick on individual countries and products that would grab the headlines.

And he won't deport millions of people. He knows as well as the next man that the American economy relies on them (Mar-a-Lago for example) so he will pick on certain areas where deporting them won't affect the economy.

The people he chooses to have around him are very important. After all, he just wants to be called President, he doesn't want to do President.

He and his cronies will spend the next four years making sure the Democrats have virtually no way of getting into power again. Once they are sure of staying in power they can start on the Gilead project.

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#3260176 16-Jul-2024 12:26

SJB: Trump says a lot of things just to appeal to his base and get elected that he would never enact in power.

This is frighteningly close to, in fact exactly what people said about, Hitler before he came to power. "He only engages in antisemitic rhetoric because it appeals to a certain portion of his voter base, he'd never actually act on it if he gets into power". "He's only playing on the irredentist feeling (trying to restore some past glorious history, many European countries have this) to get popular support, in practice he'll moderate his tone, I mean it's not like he'd try and take over all of Europe". etc.

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#3260238 16-Jul-2024 13:29

Trump says a lot of things was said last time.

This is just Trump being Trump in his speeches, and tweets just for show, he won't really.
Through to, Oh yeh he will step down and follow rules and protocol its just words.

We had Jan 6th , priming the crowd with his rally.

Hours of him watching live, a tweet setting crowd on his Vice President.
Hearing the chants of 'Hang Mike Pence' and saying nothing.
Finally hours late a half hearted message to go home you wonderful people kind of thing.

You really do need to pay attention to what he says, how it aligns with who he is and how he acts.

Lesson for him is now 'Go Hard', 'Go Fast', Make sure any appointments are loyalists to him first.
Those around and influencing him are pretty much saying it out loud to.

Roger Stone said that Trump is easy to manipulate for their extreme agenda.
While others did not get pardons Roger Stone got his so the dirty trickster and Proud Boys seem important.
Rogers Stone is proud of his tricks like financing extreme left opposition candidates to make the moderate left/center opposition look bad.
Plus what most closest to Trump and formulating plans are indicating.

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#3260299 16-Jul-2024 14:13

ezbee:

Trump says a lot of things was said last time.

true.

Kamala has already challenged James Vance to a VP Debate after congratulating him. I sure hope he accepts, I reckon she would tear him a new one.

Supposedly both offices have agreed but neither to both of the debates, one Fox, one CBS. How about just one neutral? CBS is barely left leaning with Fox being bat ship crazy right.

From the Independent quote from Politco;

"He doesn’t want a governing partner. He doesn’t want another Mike Pence, and I think that is clear," she said. "The litmus test is, are they going to be absolutely loyal to Trump over country or their oath of office, or, frankly, the American people?”

Vance to a tee imo, on the surface, but in reality I think hes much like Trump, completely loyal only to himself. I think sycophant is the right word?

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#3260400 16-Jul-2024 17:54

Kamala out performing Biden in Pennsylvania and Virginia.

If the feedback is the majority dont want either Biden or Trump, surely at this stage its worth the risk of putting her in the hot seat with one of the swing state Men in VP?

Newsom polls well, but how would people react to two Cali dems.....

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#3260403 16-Jul-2024 18:17

I suppose the smartest people in any room.
Looks like its Musk, Thiel and Winkelvoss dystopia all the way.
As long as metric tons of money buys you.
Libertarians just want their money to be free.

Elon Musk reveals the ridiculous amount of money he's donating to a Trump Super PAC
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13638091/Elon-Musk-reveals-ridiculous-money-donating-Trump-Super-PAC.html

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Musk had indicated that he planned to start his donations in July to the America PAC, backing former President Donald Trump's presidential run.

The total contribution from the Tesla CEO and head of social media platform X will be a stunning $45 million a month.
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