2024 US Presidential election thread

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#304675 27-May-2023 11:58

Now we have a few candidates in the running (yes, including the orange buffoon) I thought it might be a good idea to start a new thread re the upcoming election.

I'll start it with some commentary from The Bulwark on Ron De Santis's launch the other night: https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/a-spectacular-failure-to-launch

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#3080485 28-May-2023 21:00

Elon might want to change his accountant: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131323/Elon-Musk-crows-Ron-DeSantis-fundraising-noise-disastrous-Twitter-Spaces-launch.html

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#3080872 29-May-2023 14:15

Probably should have said maybe this thread is best suited for candidates who aren't Trump 🙂 (as he has his own thread already):

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/28/politics/ron-desantis-trump-2024-republican-primary/index.html

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#3081137 29-May-2023 21:40

Technically the candidates are not selected yet. That's unlikely to be exciting on the Democrat side. A sitting president always wins selection. The other side is going to be Trump vs DeSantis. I can't see Ramaswamy making a move on Trump.

Andrew Yang might have been a minor interest. I see he's started or joined a new party called Forward with no plans to contest this election.

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#3081143 29-May-2023 21:52

True, but here's some advice from (another) Republican potential: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/28/chris-sununu-2024-republican-presidential-00099121

Hell, even Liz Cheney might decide to put her hand up for 2024. But as you say, yes, early days yet. I don't expect Biden to have much competition (Marianne Williamson? Robert Kennedy? lol.)

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#3098110 1-Jul-2023 11:39

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-labels-is-chasing-a-fantasy/ is there room for a centrist party in America?

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#3104458 15-Jul-2023 18:23

quickymart:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-labels-is-chasing-a-fantasy/ is there room for a centrist party in America?

Ive spent plenty of time there, but not in recent years. Democratics are not hard left, Republicans are hard right. So there, despite the usual minuscule gap in an election its a divided country.

Go to a big boys store, they call you sir. Americans are super polite but have low trust. We went to Pigeon Forge one year, stopped at Macca's for lunch on the way, I apologised to the young black chick serving, due to the old white poor guy yelling at her as they ran out of whatever. Many other stories how great it is there, and how shocking it is

Its heavily divided

in NZ, same issue, an election is always close. And either side may bitch/complain but its ok here

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#3106063 19-Jul-2023 20:09

CNN analysts and others are taking Cornel West seriously and expect him to draw votes away from Biden

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#3106192 20-Jul-2023 10:50

tdgeek:

Ive spent plenty of time there, but not in recent years. Democratics are not hard left, Republicans are hard right. So there, despite the usual minuscule gap in an election its a divided country.

Go to a big boys store, they call you sir. Americans are super polite but have low trust. We went to Pigeon Forge one year, stopped at Macca's for lunch on the way, I apologised to the young black chick serving, due to the old white poor guy yelling at her as they ran out of whatever. Many other stories how great it is there, and how shocking it is

Its heavily divided

in NZ, same issue, an election is always close. And either side may bitch/complain but its ok here

The US actually does have a pretty far left option: the Green Party. Their electoral system is fundamentally broken though - it would be next to impossible for a third party that isn't red or blue to hold power of any kind.

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#3107371 23-Jul-2023 20:13

gzt: A sitting president always wins selection.

That's assuming Grampa Joe is still sitting then and not in a more horizontal position... their whole gerontocracy is starting to look like the 1980s Soviet Union.

Edited to add: By "the whole gerontocracy" I meant the US Congress, not just one party.

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#3107374 23-Jul-2023 20:50

Trump is hardly a spring chicken himself. There's only about 3 years age difference between the two of them.

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#3107377 23-Jul-2023 21:03

quickymart:

Trump is hardly a spring chicken himself. There's only about 3 years age difference between the two of them.

Except one may need a Bail Bond.

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#3108772 27-Jul-2023 14:14

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2024-dropout-draft/ which Republican is going to drop out first?

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#3109361 28-Jul-2023 17:05

Also could third-party, uh, party "No Labels" act as a spoiler candidate? https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/no-labels-scheme-dangerous-undemocratic

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#3112867 7-Aug-2023 15:49

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/04/andrew-yang-forward-party-00109231 a look at why Andrew Yang's third party bid may not be the solution to America's political duopoly.

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#3112995 7-Aug-2023 20:39

In a first past the post system, winner takes all, third parties are ineffective.
Unless you change the system, and USA's is written on holy stone tablets, or seems to be.

Worse still third can be used as spoilers
if you have a strong core block like Republicans do.

Spoiler candidates have been a tactic of Republicans financing people with similar names or same message to split democrat vote.
The power of so much dark money ?

There is one case of reverse, Ross Perot, who took Republican votes, lost them an election,
and Republicans have never forgotten it.

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