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#3260404 16-Jul-2024 18:40

ezbee: The total contribution from the Tesla CEO and head of social media platform X will be a stunning $45 million a month.

Alternatively pay each USA Tesla employee a bonus of USD$320 monthly. Who am I kidding? that's far too expensive.

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#3260408 16-Jul-2024 18:50

ezbee:

The total contribution from the Tesla CEO and head of social media platform X will be a stunning $45 million a month.

Yeh just saw that, if he does that every election Dems will never see the Presidency ever again. Outside Trump being a complete failure second term, but I suspect hes just going to ride off the back of the Democratic financial success just as it starts to hit middle america.

although Dems do have billionaire donors.

But $42M is probably nowhere near how much h will save from tax breaks.

Its a pity there isnt a cap on donations. But also Im sure he said he would not use twitter as a political platform?

Why has the Repub party gone from the Reagan era to a cult like group. Im wondering if the non maga Repubs like Haley will ever make a stand for their party let alone the country. I think most amercians think Elon is some super hero born in the USA.

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#3260490 16-Jul-2024 20:07

^ actual verified quotes that Trump's VP pick has said about him previously.

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#3260501 16-Jul-2024 21:09

quickymart:

^ actual verified quotes that Trump's VP pick has said about him previously.

I hope that is posted under the Republican, maga, jdvance etc Twitter accounts. This is why he wont take up Kamala's challenge to debate, he has way to much ammo already let alone talking policies.

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#3260504 16-Jul-2024 21:15

Good Oval Office speech from Biden

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#3260517 16-Jul-2024 22:30

Some good political analysis out there.

If Trump was looking to unify, he would not have picked JD Vance who is just chubby cheeked brat with a big mouth.

another point, he is EXTREMELY under qualified to become President should something occur with Trump.

then there is his sudden backing of violent offenders of Jan6.

What they did to Pelosi's partner.

then the intimidation and docsing of witnesses (Stormy Daniels life is hell now, Trump has sued for defamation of around $700k I heard her say and she has maga nut jobs outsde her home and threats to her and young daughter), jury members, a judges daughter (come on, nobody should just get away with that)

So, whilst the Repubs think Bidens weakness is his stutter and gaffes, for soooo many americans what they are looking for is the best person who will get them through this inflection point in a calm manner and in fact Bidens age and political wisdom could now be flipped as the calming Rhetoric the country needs to get through this. There is so much they can use to reinforce that message to prosecute the election and point out the epic amount of violence Trump has stirred up.

While there are plenty of haters wanting violence, there are far more voters wanting a calm and peaceful election.

Some political commentators have almost gone to the point of saying the violence and intimidation of witnesses etc would only increased tension in hind site of what occured, the level of violent Rhetoric that they have used, not that ive heard anyone justify it, far from it. all have condemned, but more the nuance is almost the level of Violent Rhetoric at least will not have helped the situation. again, not heard anyone say anything but condemnation, and this was not from dem party people just political analysis.

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#3260589 17-Jul-2024 08:38

Is the US so fragile that one 20 year old gun-loving piece of shit and a "cool dad" could potentially be the last nail in the coffin?

I wonder if I'll be looking for an off-grid property in October?

New York Times: What Polls Tell Us About Biden’s Chances
...
many Democrats are despondent. Serious concerns about President Biden’s electoral hopes loomed even before the events of the weekend transpired. Mr. Biden’s advanced age and attendant campaign trail challenges remain. And now the iconic images of a bloodied Mr. Trump, fist in the air, seem to have raised Democrats’ concerns th
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The results have been poor for Mr. Biden but are not catastrophic: Fox News’s and NBC News’s polling each show Mr. Trump ahead by only three points nationally. CBS News’s weekend polling release showed Mr. Trump ahead across all key swing states, but by only a two-point margin in six of the seven states. Times/Siena polling released Monday paints a similar picture; being down by three points in the swing state of Pennsylvania does not mean the race is out of reach for Mr. Biden.

I don’t want to sugarcoat things for anxious supporters of Mr. Biden, though. At the moment, the numbers are bad for your candidate. The likelihood of a Trump victory is considerable.
...

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#3260657 17-Jul-2024 10:35

That so many Americans would even consider Trump with all that he has shown to be and done.

Biden is good intentioned, mostly harmless and at worst ineffectual.
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Trump and who he is for all to see, along with Jan 6th along with everything that follows.

One does get the feeling if Democrats put up another candidate nothing much would change.
If you can't see Trump for who he is, and after everything willing to go another round.

One time you might have thought of history.
How could people have so easily handed over their freedom.
For Duce of Italy it was just a quick baptisms all around and Pope is all aboard,
religion loves an autocrat.

They say, Oh that 2025 stuff and Dictatorship is silly, and then JD says this.

4 Things You Should Know About JD Vance, Trump's Pick For Vice President
The Ohio senator has taken up Trump’s cause with the zeal of a convert.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jd-vance-trump-pick-things-to-know_n_66959588e4b04a98b4b94502

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In addition, Vance affirmed this past February he would not have voted to certify the 2020 presidential election and would have advocated for the inclusion of alternate slates of electors. He has also called for Trump to “fire every civil servant in the administrative state,” and said Trump can defy Supreme Court orders if the high court issues an “illegitimate ruling.”
""

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#3260659 17-Jul-2024 10:59

I wonder if I'll be looking for an off-grid property in October?

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Why so? :-)

It is just nuts with Vance. I mean a guy writes a book about "woe is me" and then suddenly is a senator for a minute and then next minute, could end up the authoritarian President of the US. This should be enough to turn voters off given Trumps age etc. It is one more sign just how wreckless Trump is.

Yes I think much of this democrat doom is unwarranted, Biden or other. The debate they all thought was terrible but barely moved the needle on the polls. I personally do think the US is looking for anybody but Biden or Trump, outside the crazies and wealthy looking for tax breaks from Trump.

as I posted in the Trump court cases thread, two things can still drop his standing in the polls. legal experts seem to agree it is unlikely the 34 felonies case will be over turned and if not, sentencing in September could be bad timing, especially if Jail is in it.

then there is the Chutkin Georgia case, regardless of there being no result prior to election, it looks likely Jack Smith will be lining up Testimony and Evidence, which will be reported on close to real time, so the public opinion of Trumps actions could be a type of conviction in itself.

and whats happened to this "apprentice" tape where supposedly Trump is throwing around the N word describing one contestant?

then you have a clear outline by Trumps team to over turn the US from a democracy to authoritarian. The detailed plans effect nearly every US citizen along with its allies. This is being made clear by Bidens advertising, some of which talks about the obvious connection with Rus influence which will not go down well with many.

The War in Gaza could end very soon, interest rates could drop which for even the non economic educated is an indication of a strong economy.

So much can happen between now and election day. but dems need to push Biden to see the public want change (although oddly they did vote for him in the primary), or they need to get behind him, but either way it needs to happen very soon.

I think if the democrats prosecute this election to inform the public well enough, it could well turn the other way once people accept the choice of failed democracy/authoritarian Trump or Biden. I really do not think people realise yet how destructive Trumps plan are.

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#3260686 17-Jul-2024 11:42

TeaLeaf:

It is just nuts with Vance. I mean a guy writes a book about "woe is me" and then suddenly is a senator for a minute and then next minute, could end up the authoritarian President of the US. This should be enough to turn voters off given Trumps age etc. It is one more sign just how wreckless Trump is.

The Bulwark has a great piece today on exactly this: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-authoritarian-ticket

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#3260704 17-Jul-2024 12:08

quickymart:

The Bulwark has a great piece today on exactly this: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-authoritarian-ticket

It is good, but terribly worrying. Im a big fan of Tim Miller and also Adam Kinzinger.

I just wonder how fragile Vance's mental stability and self belief is, because he comes across a lot like Trump, all parade and no substance/strength.

How do you convince the people of the truth, that they are just outright lying to them about Biden and the economy etc?

It feels like if you tell people the economics it goes over their head.

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#3260713 17-Jul-2024 12:28

Perhaps the Musk and Thiel pieces are falling into place.
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Vance, who worked for conservative billionaire Peter Thiel’s venture capital firm in Silicon Valley, California, before entering politics, is not uncomfortable in elite settings.
""

Trumps sudden enthusiasm for blockchains, not only his own Coin and NFC grift, Winkelvoses have also chipped in.

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#3260744 17-Jul-2024 13:41

ezbee:

Perhaps the Musk and Thiel pieces are falling into place.
""
Vance, who worked for conservative billionaire Peter Thiel’s venture capital firm in Silicon Valley, California, before entering politics, is not uncomfortable in elite settings.
""

Trumps sudden enthusiasm for blockchains, not only his own Coin and NFC grift, Winkelvoses have also chipped in.

But Trump is telling me he is all about saving us middle americans and the crooked Joe has ruined the economy and is fixated on helping the rich? :-)

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#3260748 17-Jul-2024 13:59

kingdragonfly:

New York Times: What Polls Tell Us About Biden’s Chances
...
many Democrats are despondent. Serious concerns about President Biden’s electoral hopes loomed even before the events of the weekend transpired. Mr. Biden’s advanced age and attendant campaign trail challenges remain. And now the iconic images of a bloodied Mr. Trump, fist in the air, seem to have raised Democrats’ concerns th
...
The results have been poor for Mr. Biden but are not catastrophic: Fox News’s and NBC News’s polling each show Mr. Trump ahead by only three points nationally. CBS News’s weekend polling release showed Mr. Trump ahead across all key swing states, but by only a two-point margin in six of the seven states. Times/Siena polling released Monday paints a similar picture; being down by three points in the swing state of Pennsylvania does not mean the race is out of reach for Mr. Biden.

I don’t want to sugarcoat things for anxious supporters of Mr. Biden, though. At the moment, the numbers are bad for your candidate. The likelihood of a Trump victory is considerable.
...

Just to put things in perspective. The largest bookmaker in the world is Bet365 (90 million users) and their market on the 2024 US Election has implied odds of Trump winning at 73.3% and the implied odds of Biden winning at 20%

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#3260768 17-Jul-2024 14:59

The clips from the Republican National Convention are some of the most depressing television I've seen in years.

To think that these people are likely to be in charge of the most powerful nation on earth that has elections is just incomprehensible.

There is no hope for humankind. The sooner we are gone the better.

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