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#3505159 22-Jun-2026 10:11

Rikkitic:

When will his cabinet finally accept that he is dangerously out of control and implement the 25th amendment?

Yes, he says a lot of stupid sh1te, but this outburst is on another level

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#3505163 22-Jun-2026 10:22

Rikkitic:

When will his cabinet finally accept that he is dangerously out of control and implement the 25th amendment?

Love to see this happen and arguably it should, but I see it requiring at a minimum:

at least half the cabinet and the VP plucking up the courage to do it, while being threatened behind the scenes by core Trumpers with being individually destroyed as punishment for their actions
finding a medical professional that can confirm that Trump is not fit for office, that is stronger than a medical professional that Trump may employ to prove to Congress that he is still medically fit for office, as the 25th amendment allows the ousted president this path back to office.

One of the US TV political dramas (may have been the US version of House of Cards) showed a scene where the president walked into the cabinet meeting room, knowing what was being planned, and sacked the entire cabinet on the spot before the 25th amendment letter could be sent to Congress. The president can sack the cabinet but not the VP.

Trump is a master at pushing boundaries and knows what he can get away with.

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#3505167 22-Jun-2026 10:36

100%. Short of an actual collapse into a coma none of them are going to break ranks, future of their country and the world be damned. But I do hope they are all tormented by endless waking nights kicking themselves for tethering their own fates to this orange turd balloon.

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#3505207 22-Jun-2026 13:19

geek3001:

Rikkitic:

When will his cabinet finally accept that he is dangerously out of control and implement the 25th amendment?

Love to see this happen and arguably it should, but I see it requiring at a minimum:

at least half the cabinet and the VP plucking up the courage to do it, while being threatened behind the scenes by core Trumpers with being individually destroyed as punishment for their actions
finding a medical professional that can confirm that Trump is not fit for office, that is stronger than a medical professional that Trump may employ to prove to Congress that he is still medically fit for office, as the 25th amendment allows the ousted president this path back to office.
One of the US TV political dramas (may have been the US version of House of Cards) showed a scene where the president walked into the cabinet meeting room, knowing what was being planned, and sacked the entire cabinet on the spot before the 25th amendment letter could be sent to Congress. The president can sack the cabinet but not the VP.

Trump is a master at pushing boundaries and knows what he can get away with.

Arguably, this is a boundary being pushed off the cliff.

There is an issue with Lebanon peacefire. Trump signed that in the MOU. Its causing obvious issues, but Vance is being positive, Iran says the Lebanon issue is the most important right now, so looking ok. Until Trump loses his marbles, at a time when its best to be delicate, as USA and Iran have the will to succeed. The cliche throwing the toys is such a silly saying, but in this instance, its exactly right. Trump and Iran have the will to move on from a half century of issues, and his idiocracy is putting that at risk.

Ask Iran if they can ask Hezbollah to stick to the ceasefire, then sort out Netanyahu. Not so say that will sort itself in 5 minutes , it may not at all, BUT with a legacy of Iran distrusting the US, pointing the latest fingers at 2025 and 2026. If Iran can see that the US is trying hard to sort Netanyahu, that is valuable brownie points in my opinion.

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#3505210 22-Jun-2026 13:37

tdgeek:

If Iran can see that the US is trying hard to sort Netanyahu, that is valuable brownie points in my opinion.

But everyone knows that they aren't. And there is no realistic prospect of that changing any time soon - from either party.

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#3505211 22-Jun-2026 13:38

More predictable than a rigged UFC fight, and FIFA corruption.

Trump trying a Putin, from his position of weakness.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/21/us-iran-talks-jd-vance-switzerland-strait-of-hormuz-lebanon

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“Iran must immediately stop their highly paid proxies in Lebanon from causing trouble,” Trump wrote on social media. “If they don’t, we’ll hit Iran very hard again.”

In a 20-minute phone call with Fox News, which revealed his sensitivity to the criticism being directed at him by Republicans and Democrats alike, he said: “We may take over the strait, if we have to. If they don’t make a deal, we’ll collect tolls.”

Referring to the strait, he appeared to threaten to kidnap the Iranian negotiators, saying: “You close it and you won’t have a country. You won’t even make it back to your ----- country.”
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Problem is they are never going to agree on detail.
Memorandum only survived by being vague and leaving detail that will never be agree up to negotiation.

As for Cabinet restraining Trumps madness, they have been selected by him to be the most Trumpy set of vipers.
Not much would change, it's all about the self-enrichment for all of them.
Rubio might be the odd man out, so Trump wants to send him to Cuba.

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#3505213 22-Jun-2026 13:52

tdgeek:

... BUT with a legacy of Iran distrusting the US ...

Iran considers the US to be the Great Satan who they basically want eliminated.

I struggle to understand how the current real leadership of Iran, ie: the current injured and likely very angry Supreme Leader and those that support him, will ever come to any agreement with the US, or the West for that matter.

As someone pointed out in an earlier post, there was previously a state of Detente involving Iran, where surrounding countries agreed to disagree but still got on with each other as best they could.

Will the MOU lead to any viable agreement, or are the Iranian negotiators just stringing along their western counterparts, while Iran rebuilds their defences and plans the next steps in their plan to fight the Great Satan.

EDIT: Meanwhile the rest of the world suffers ongoing economic collateral damage while the price of oil is on a roller coaster, and those costs gradually flow through to increased costs for everything everywhere.

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#3505223 22-Jun-2026 14:35

Iran can't really afford for the status quo to continue forever either. They need to sell their oil, and also the longer the situation continues unabated the sooner the world will rebalance without access to the Strait by things like more pipelines across Saudi from the other Gulf states plus increased production, terminal facilities, and more tankers to cover the longer routes to the US, Africa or South America.

If the war ends now, none of that happens because the accountants didn't learn any lessons after COVID and they won't learn them now either so Iran retains their ability to choke the economy at any time if irritated. That's why they are coming to the table and will make an agreement if it suits.

But if it doesn't suit, that's fine (for now) too. They can hold out longer than Trump can. Especially since Trump announces that it's all done three times a week which for some reason people keep listening too as if it had any meaning at all, thus resetting the clock on starting any of the extremely costly, long lead time projects to work around the Strait which they really don't want to pay for.

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#3505253 22-Jun-2026 16:31

quickymart: NZ Herald: ... Vance said the US hoped to “turn over a new leaf” with the Islamic Republic...

Yeah, a 80 year old man and a Islamic fundamentalist are always open to change.

You might as well ask Benjamin Netanyahu to be flexible with Palestine.

Though both Trump and Netanyahu are both flexible on the definition of "till death do we part" marriage.

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#3505261 22-Jun-2026 17:00

SaltyNZ:

Vance clearly having no clue how much oil goes through the Strait:

The vice president said more than 12.5 million barrels went through the Strait of Hormuz on Wednesday night. That could further soothe oil prices that spiked during the war but have been falling since the US and Iran announced a tentative deal to end the conflict.

That's about 6 VLCCs. Compared to the 100+ ships a day it used to be. Problem solved!

Its estimated that the SoH closure was taking between 10-15m bbl/day out of the global oil supply (after you factor in extra pipeline pumping from Saudi and extra supply from non gulf locaitons,

12.5m bbl is good, but it needs to happen everyday ... and to rebuild SPRs needs at least 20m bbl/day...

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#3505271 22-Jun-2026 18:18

SaltyNZ:

tdgeek:

If Iran can see that the US is trying hard to sort Netanyahu, that is valuable brownie points in my opinion.

But everyone knows that they aren't. And there is no realistic prospect of that changing any time soon - from either party.

"They" as in both Iran and the US?

Oops, you said either party

I disagree. Trump wants a win, or at least another won war which he will extrapolate incorrectly.

Iran wants end of sanctions, get the frozen funds back

If you want to look at who starts wars, look at Putin, Netanyahu and Trump. Iran is not a wonder country but...

IIRC Iran had had a detente relationship with most Middle East Nations. We dont agree, but we are neighbours, lets get on, and that worked.

Trumps BIG DEAL is nukes. Iran signed up to not building or procuring nukes in the MOU. They said they will down blend. Inferred I think, that IAEA can keep tabs.

Nuclear is the biggest issue with Trump, its been signed off by both parties, to me its near enough to a non issue. Lebanon is the issue that Trump signed off on.

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#3505273 22-Jun-2026 18:27

ezbee:

More predictable than a rigged UFC fight, and FIFA corruption.

Trump trying a Putin, from his position of weakness.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/21/us-iran-talks-jd-vance-switzerland-strait-of-hormuz-lebanon

""
“Iran must immediately stop their highly paid proxies in Lebanon from causing trouble,” Trump wrote on social media. “If they don’t, we’ll hit Iran very hard again.”

In a 20-minute phone call with Fox News, which revealed his sensitivity to the criticism being directed at him by Republicans and Democrats alike, he said: “We may take over the strait, if we have to. If they don’t make a deal, we’ll collect tolls.”

Referring to the strait, he appeared to threaten to kidnap the Iranian negotiators, saying: “You close it and you won’t have a country. You won’t even make it back to your ----- country.”
""

Problem is they are never going to agree on detail.
Memorandum only survived by being vague and leaving detail that will never be agree up to negotiation.

As for Cabinet restraining Trumps madness, they have been selected by him to be the most Trumpy set of vipers.
Not much would change, it's all about the self-enrichment for all of them.
Rubio might be the odd man out, so Trump wants to send him to Cuba.

Dont want to repost, but both sides have an off ramp here, I wont say its easy, but in realist it can be very easy. Lets say Israel complied in Lebanon, Hezbollah will comply as they agreed to. If we were there, it could be well on the way

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#3505274 22-Jun-2026 18:33

geek3001:

tdgeek:

... BUT with a legacy of Iran distrusting the US ...

Iran considers the US to be the Great Satan who they basically want eliminated.

I struggle to understand how the current real leadership of Iran, ie: the current injured and likely very angry Supreme Leader and those that support him, will ever come to any agreement with the US, or the West for that matter.

As someone pointed out in an earlier post, there was previously a state of Detente involving Iran, where surrounding countries agreed to disagree but still got on with each other as best they could.

Will the MOU lead to any viable agreement, or are the Iranian negotiators just stringing along their western counterparts, while Iran rebuilds their defences and plans the next steps in their plan to fight the Great Satan.

EDIT: Meanwhile the rest of the world suffers ongoing economic collateral damage while the price of oil is on a roller coaster, and those costs gradually flow through to increased costs for everything everywhere.

Bolded was likely me. Iran will bag the US, US will bag Iran, who wins? Well US attacked twice, now the MOU is an Iran win. Back in the day it was guerrilla warfare, now its cheap drones. Working for Ukraine, working for Iran

If Netanyahu was ousted or cut back by Trump, that changes everything IMO. Thats the only barrier. Would the MOU then be sweet? No. But it would be well on the way to being doable. Had Iran attacked other near or not so near nations in recent years, just because it can, thats an issue. But thats the domain of Trump and Netanyahu in the immediate region. And Putin, Trump's friend in the wider region.

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#3505389 23-Jun-2026 10:16

Way to go, James! 🙄

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#3505397 23-Jun-2026 10:51

Someone sent me an interesting opinion piece in The Hill in which a conservative commentator conceded that CNN was right about everything. What I really enjoyed though was this excerpt: "This is an unbelievably bad deal. It could only have been devised by the type of man who would lose money as a casino owner."

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