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  #1723308 20-Feb-2017 21:14
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joker97:

 

DarthKermit:

 

freitasm:

 

He's playing everyone. He's desensitizing the public to the degree that people will start ignoring him, and then he will be allowed do things. Terrible things. Big things that are terrible.

 

 

I hope you are dead wrong. I fear that you are not. undecided

 

 

Trouble is, his supporters will think he's done marvelous things! Great things! And start worshiping him. *sigh

 

\Im happy with that. His supporters are in the US and have no power. He has used them, not required anymore

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  #1723309 20-Feb-2017 21:15
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vexxxboy:

 

best sign seen carried by one of his supporters at his florida rally. "Make American airports great again" not sure if the supporter was a plant.

 

 

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  #1723349 20-Feb-2017 22:38
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tdgeek:

 

joker97:

 

DarthKermit:

 

freitasm:

 

He's playing everyone. He's desensitizing the public to the degree that people will start ignoring him, and then he will be allowed do things. Terrible things. Big things that are terrible.

 

 

I hope you are dead wrong. I fear that you are not. undecided

 

 

Trouble is, his supporters will think he's done marvelous things! Great things! And start worshiping him. *sigh

 

\Im happy with that. His supporters are in the US and have no power. He has used them, not required anymore

 

 

Really?

 

So why the Nuremburg-style "hanger rally" to preach to the throng of worshipping morons in Melbourne Fla yesterday?

 

That kind of thing wasn't set up by Bannon solely to massage Trump's fragile ego.

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  #1723414 21-Feb-2017 05:38
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<snip>

 

So why the Nuremburg-style "hanger rally" to preach to the throng of worshipping morons in Melbourne Fla yesterday?

 

That kind of thing wasn't set up by Bannon solely to massage Trump's fragile ego.

 

 

Trump gets what he wants in Florida: Campaign-level adulation

EXTRACTS:

 


"When the media lies to the people, I will never let them get away with it. I will do whatever I can so they don't get away with it. They have their own agenda and their agenda is not your agenda," Trump said Saturday. As he bellowed, event attendees turned to the pen where the media stood and booed.

Trump also looked to rebut reports of a chaotic White House, telling supporters, "the White House is running so smoothly, so smoothly."

Michael Caputo, a former senior adviser to Trump's campaign, said he expects this sort of campaign-style event will be the "first of many."

"He grew very familiar with the rally concept and I expect him to return to where he is comfortable when he needs to recharge," Caputo said. "The fact that Trump showed us a new way of winning should have given everyone a hint that he would show everyone a new way of governing."

 




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  #1723419 21-Feb-2017 06:14
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tdgeek:

 

Rikkitic:

 

freitasm:

 

He's playing everyone. He's desensitizing the public to the degree that people will start ignoring him, and then he will be allowed do things. Terrible things. Big things that are terrible.

 

 

Some might say you are being a drama merchant. I am sorry to say that I agree with you.

 

 

 

 

I actually don't agree. Well, I won't expand on his persona, we all know that.

 

He has no experience.

 

His ego outweighs his brain

 

 

 

Now what has he done wrong that affects the globe? His ban affected many, but only a handful, and thats been squished by the legal system. The wall has gone quiet. Where are the trade issues??? Quiet also. When he took power, Wall St rose, now its come back, no crisis. What has he done that affects us us all? Bugger all, if not nothing. Lies, rants, tweets etc etc etc don't run the US or affect the globe, they just undermine himself and his country. he is becoming valueless. ineffective, a news item and no more. Where are the trade deals (apart from other countries looking elsewhere, China and Mexico being a key example), nor looking at South China Sea to see whose got the most ships and arms. Instead we read the world leaders and Govt members putting him down, his own peers putting him down. The brits petitioning against a state visit, etc, etc. he actually isn't doing anything. So the world is safe, no GFC, no wars, its a show. Its probably safer now than if he wasn't in power. 

 

Dont worry about his lies and gaffes and faults, those factors are helping. I read here that if he was impeached thats a global crisis, cant recall who said that. He is in power being a dick, no crisis. If he was removed, no crisis. I feel the globe is better off with him in as that makes the US weak, which offers opportunities for the non US. Either to slowly distance themselves, or work together. 

 

Lets make the globe great again .

 

 

That is what the Brit's thought of Hitler until he annexed a few countries. He is already showing his desire to become a dictator, fortunately congress is stopping him, but the German had their checks and balances until Hitler managed to disband the Reichstag.

 

If you are not worried about Adolph Trumps potential for chaos you should be.

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  #1723426 21-Feb-2017 07:11
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The comparisons to 1930's Germany are one of the over reactions I have been referring to. The US is in uncertain times, there maybe unrest and protest in areas of the US and there will a lot of changes. Internationally there are going to be stressed relations as Governments come to terms with US foreign policy changes. Global markets will cycle through changes and adjustments. There maybe new cold wars and some regional conflicts. The reality is these happen all the time.

As for direct comparison to to 1930's Germany, no, the US and the World is a different place, Mr Trump is not going the take over Congress and Senate, he is not going to suspend the constitution and install himself as a dictator. To do that he needs to take direct control of all the Armed Forces, he needs to take control of all State and Commonwealth Government, take control of all state National Guard units.

Mr Trump undoubtedly is going to make a dogs breakfast of his Presidency and annoy a lot of foreign Governments in the process. The US will be in for a bumpy four years and have to endure a lot of change. There will be an election in 2020 and again four years later.




Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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  #1723440 21-Feb-2017 08:17
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dickytim:

 

tdgeek:

 

Rikkitic:

 

freitasm:

 

He's playing everyone. He's desensitizing the public to the degree that people will start ignoring him, and then he will be allowed do things. Terrible things. Big things that are terrible.

 

 

Some might say you are being a drama merchant. I am sorry to say that I agree with you.

 

 

 

 

I actually don't agree. Well, I won't expand on his persona, we all know that.

 

He has no experience.

 

His ego outweighs his brain

 

 

 

Now what has he done wrong that affects the globe? His ban affected many, but only a handful, and thats been squished by the legal system. The wall has gone quiet. Where are the trade issues??? Quiet also. When he took power, Wall St rose, now its come back, no crisis. What has he done that affects us us all? Bugger all, if not nothing. Lies, rants, tweets etc etc etc don't run the US or affect the globe, they just undermine himself and his country. he is becoming valueless. ineffective, a news item and no more. Where are the trade deals (apart from other countries looking elsewhere, China and Mexico being a key example), nor looking at South China Sea to see whose got the most ships and arms. Instead we read the world leaders and Govt members putting him down, his own peers putting him down. The brits petitioning against a state visit, etc, etc. he actually isn't doing anything. So the world is safe, no GFC, no wars, its a show. Its probably safer now than if he wasn't in power. 

 

Dont worry about his lies and gaffes and faults, those factors are helping. I read here that if he was impeached thats a global crisis, cant recall who said that. He is in power being a dick, no crisis. If he was removed, no crisis. I feel the globe is better off with him in as that makes the US weak, which offers opportunities for the non US. Either to slowly distance themselves, or work together. 

 

Lets make the globe great again .

 

 

That is what the Brit's thought of Hitler until he annexed a few countries. He is already showing his desire to become a dictator, fortunately congress is stopping him, but the German had their checks and balances until Hitler managed to disband the Reichstag.

 

If you are not worried about Adolph Trumps potential for chaos you should be.

 

 

I'm not. All he does is talk, thats no harm. he doesnt DO. When he did DO, the legal system pulled it back. He cannot be a dictator in the US system. Cannot be remotely compared to Adolf H. Its fine to rubbish him for his antics, but this crisis and so on is a bit over the top

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  #1723452 21-Feb-2017 08:23
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MikeB4: The comparisons to 1930's Germany are one of the over reactions I have been referring to. The US is in uncertain times, there maybe unrest and protest in areas of the US and there will a lot of changes. Internationally there are going to be stressed relations as Governments come to terms with US foreign policy changes. Global markets will cycle through changes and adjustments. There maybe new cold wars and some regional conflicts. The reality is these happen all the time.

As for direct comparison to to 1930's Germany, no, the US and the World is a different place, Mr Trump is not going the take over Congress and Senate, he is not going to suspend the constitution and install himself as a dictator. To do that he needs to take direct control of all the Armed Forces, he needs to take control of all State and Commonwealth Government, take control of all state National Guard units.

Mr Trump undoubtedly is going to make a dogs breakfast of his Presidency and annoy a lot of foreign Governments in the process. The US will be in for a bumpy four years and have to endure a lot of change. There will be an election in 2020 and again four years later.

 

Agree fully. It might get bumpy over there as protests and resentment of him grow. I dont even feel there will be a lot of chnage as he and his team of idiots cannot seem to get anything right. If they took the time to work through their changes, the good and bad ones, and did it by the law, maybe then he will get things done, good or bad, but that seems a struggle. So he yabbers all the time, so what. Thats pretty darn harmless to the globe. How is the wall going? Where are the trade deals, as for some reason, the superpower cannot seem to negotiate any deals as they say they are always being ripped off? I am seeing he actually has less bite and more bark as each week goes on

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  #1723454 21-Feb-2017 08:35
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There are plenty of valid comparisons with fascism.

 

Very unwise to look at Trump and the regime that surrounds him and the circumstances within the US and globally, then conclude that he's not a fascist because it's not a mirror image of Nazi Germany.

 

 

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  #1723457 21-Feb-2017 08:45
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Fred99:

 

There are plenty of valid comparisons with fascism.

 

Very unwise to look at Trump and the regime that surrounds him and the circumstances within the US and globally, then conclude that he's not a fascist because it's not a mirror image of Nazi Germany.

 

 

 

 

Bit of a stretch in my opinion. He has a lot of attitudes that belong in the gutter, the issue is how will he run the country. He has talked and talked and talked. His one main action was undone. More talk. No action. He cannot run the US in line with his facsit beliefs if they are his beliefs, he cannot even do anything. His campaign bluster has continued into his term. While all the criticism may be correct he is all talk, and while we can talk about him, the issue is how will his role affect the globe? And that is becoming less and less an issue. The world isnt reacting in terms of the stock market, financial market, all that is happening is they are laughing at him. This thread only seems to want to call him names, criticise him (all fair enough) but thats all that is being said here. 

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  #1723458 21-Feb-2017 08:50
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The US under Trump is more a regime of Populism and not Fascism. Granted, they can be similar and the former does not necessarily morph into the later. Neither are desirable. Populism does not directly equate to apocalypse.




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  #1723461 21-Feb-2017 08:56
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What is important to me, is what will happen with the wall, South China Sea, relations with China re trade and Taiwan, trade, Middle East conflicts, ISIS, general relations with many countries, and the US economy. His ramblings and the obsessions against him exist, but thats for news and venting purposes, it is not that relevant. What is relevant are the key topics. And I see very very little discussion on those here

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  #1723471 21-Feb-2017 09:08
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There is another title for the president. It is commander-in-chief. The president commands the military. His powers are limited by Congress, and there is a requirement that military personnel should disobey illegal orders, but who is to say what could happen in the right ('wrong') circumstances?

 

The world is not the same place it was in the 1930s but that does not mean we should ignore the lessons of history. I do not believe it is an overreaction to look at what happened then and to place that in a modern context. I fervently hope US democracy is strong enough to survive someone like Trump. Perhaps it is. But it would be foolish to just look on passively and hope for the best without doing everything possible to resist Trump's machinations. He has repeatedly demonstrated contempt for, and ignorance of, democratic institutions and traditions. His mass gatherings and attacks on the press are blatant attempts to circumvent those institutions and traditions by appealing directly to the mob instincts of his supporters. Anyone who does not find this very alarming is being foolish. 

 

 

 

 




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  #1723472 21-Feb-2017 09:08
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The cleverest one I've heard recently is Trumpelthinskin.

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  #1723475 21-Feb-2017 09:10
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The South China sea, that is pure posturing, both sides will appear publicly to be standing firm but concessions will be won and given in private by both sides and life will move on. Neither will risk mutual destruction over a few rocks. The One China stance will remain and that posturing is over. The Mexico wall, there is a fence there now and it will be enhanced and Trump  will call it a wall despite what photos will show. The middle east /ISIS actions will continue with the US and Russia upping their engagements and possibly deploy land assets.

 

As for the US economy, if Trump honours his promise and rebuild the infrastructure the US economy will boom however that type of GDP lift is not sustainable and is largely illusionary. 




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